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mlife Posts: > 500

@ aussieland1

Okay... although you apparently don't get the simple context of NO NAME BRAND apps, at least you mention some generic terms this time like;

-"video chat" which the 808 IS fully capable of via FRING... LOOK IT UP. and
-"music," maybe search out nokia music or ovi music... or mix radio.... ALL OF WHICH give you the options to purchase songs or albums.... or am I taking you out of "context" again????
-"Bookmarks" again possible to be synced on the 808 via your opera browser. just login and they're all there!

I've said before and I'll say it again (as I'm not sure what your agenda here is) but I'VE NEVER SAID the 808 is better than any other smartphone... only that it, in of itself, is also a capable smartphone. Still you have yet to point out one task which can not be accomplished by the 808.

Why are you so resistant to just admitting that its just as capable? (less all the name brand apps and glitz).... It's unbelievable the effort, time and energy you put into being so negative and bashing something like a phone. By the way, thanks for giving me more features to add to the list of 808 abilities.

-Camera
-Web browsing
-xenon flash
-bluetooth
-FM Transmitter
-USB host support
-HDMI
-Fully functional planner / calendar
-Timed profiles
-App support
-DLNA capability
-3.5mm video out
-removable memory
-Social networking
-Banking
-News & Weather
-Offline navigation
-Mirror link
-NFC
-Music
-Video Chat
-Bookmarks

....just curious .... please tell me of another "smartphone" that covers 100% of the listed items above?
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Posted: 2014-01-30 20:50:34
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davidsic Posts: > 500

Trolling joking

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuUQtXX9fQg#t=304


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Posted: 2014-01-30 21:11:26
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aussieland1 Posts: > 500

Mlife

I was wrong about the music store -happy to admit that


But:
I thought you were after tasks that do not require name brands: isn't fring and Opera a name brand? So which one is it? And how is pointing out things that Nokia 808 can't do bashing the phone? By this logic if I say that Note 3 camera is inferior to Nokia 808 it means I am bashing Samsung?

And to answer your question no phone has xenon flash but nokia so there are no phones that can cover 100% of your list
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Posted: 2014-01-30 21:21:29
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mlife Posts: > 500


On 2014-01-30 21:21:29, aussieland1 wrote:
Mlife
I was wrong about the music store -happy to admit that

See... progress... maybe soon enough, I'll have you praising the 808 as opposed to hating on it


On 2014-01-30 21:21:29, aussieland1 wrote:
But:
I thought you were after tasks that do not require name brands: isn't fring and Opera a name brand? So which one is it? And how is pointing out things that Nokia 808 can't do bashing the phone? By this logic if I say that Note 3 camera is inferior to Nokia 808 it means I am bashing Samsung?

I only mentioned them because I knew if I said Nokia can do all that, you would want proof... just saving myself time... but I'm glad your catching on... from here on out, if you leave out name brands I won't have any reason to respond with them either... simply mention the task and I will let you know if my 808 can or can't do that task.


On 2014-01-30 21:21:29, aussieland1 wrote:
And to answer your question no phone has xenon flash but nokia so there are no phones that can cover 100% of your list
[ This Message was edited by: aussieland1 on 2014-01-30 20:23 ]


Exactly my point... whereas the 808 has a 100% of the features of most other "smartphones" and in some cases even more features.

Listen, I know you don't believe I'm not trying to bust your ballz but I'm really not.... I'm simply trying to reinforce the fact that the 808 is a proper smartphone and a well capable device. Im not saying it's the best or the fastest but it is indeed capable of completing most every task which any other phone can. If you do happen to come across any other tasks you wish to challenge the 808 on, I will more than gladly reply if it is possible or not. I'm not above admitting I'm wrong either but It just drives me bonkers when people bash the device and try and make it sound as if it only takes great pictures and makes phone calls -which is clearly not the case.
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Posted: 2014-01-30 21:38:54
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aussieland1 Posts: > 500


On 2014-01-30 21:38:54, mlife wrote:
Listen, I know you don't believe I'm not trying to bust your ballz but I'm really not.... I'm simply trying to reinforce the fact that the 808 is a proper smartphone and a well capable device. Im not saying it's the best or the fastest but it is indeed capable of completing most every task which any other phone can. If you do happen to come across any other tasks you wish to challenge the 808 on, I will more than gladly reply if it is possible or not. I'm not above admitting I'm wrong either but It just drives me bonkers when people bash the device and try and make it sound as if it only takes great pictures and makes phone calls -which is clearly not the case.



Fair enough. I am sorry you think I hate Nokia 808 though to me there is a difference between pointing out things that I wish Nokia 808 could do and saying that Nokia 808 is crap. For the record I almost bought one last year but decided against it because of Nokia's lack of support for Symbian and got a lumia 1020 instead (which has now been replaced with Nokia 1520)

Anyway I think it is best to end this here before we start arguing again
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Posted: 2014-01-30 21:58:11
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mlife Posts: > 500


On 2014-01-30 21:58:11, aussieland1 wrote:

On 2014-01-30 21:38:54, mlife wrote:
Listen, I know you don't believe I'm not trying to bust your ballz but I'm really not.... I'm simply trying to reinforce the fact that the 808 is a proper smartphone and a well capable device. Im not saying it's the best or the fastest but it is indeed capable of completing most every task which any other phone can. If you do happen to come across any other tasks you wish to challenge the 808 on, I will more than gladly reply if it is possible or not. I'm not above admitting I'm wrong either but It just drives me bonkers when people bash the device and try and make it sound as if it only takes great pictures and makes phone calls -which is clearly not the case.



Fair enough. I am sorry you think I hate Nokia 808 though to me there is a difference between pointing out things that I wish Nokia 808 could do and saying that Nokia 808 is crap. For the record I almost bought one last year but decided against it because of Nokia's lack of support for Symbian and got a lumia 1020 instead (which has now been replaced with Nokia 1520)

Anyway I think it is best to end this here before we start arguing again


I don't know that I would say I think you "hate" nokia or the 808 for that matter.... i just think for some reason you think it makes sense to try and paint it as some greatly inferior device when it well deserves respect as a proper smartphone that happens to have received the best photo capability of any other phone currently available. I think because it does that so well, people try and make it look less capable in other areas - like pointing out a supermodel and saying "omg, but did you see the way she chews".... really, WHO GIVES A F#&K, she's HOTT!!!

*also.. I like to view it as more of a passionate debate
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Posted: 2014-01-30 22:07:23
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aussieland1 Posts: > 500

Fair enough - I like the passionate debate term

Anyway you are right my list did include a lot of name brands glitz apps and if you think I said that to point out how inferior nokia 808 is I apologise. Believe it or not though I do use the end product of those apps though quite often ( ie watching premier league/nba highlights , playing hight Def games on my tv using the ps controller , sending money using just the phone number etc). But like I said because I use all of these it doesn't mean that I expect that everyone will or will even find them useful - which is why I can't possibly think that Nokia 808 is an inferior product. I actually used to have an Nokia N8 and before that a n97 and before that a nokia 5800 express music so I am perfectly aware of what symbian is capable of

Anyway I like your model example but I won't share that with my partner she still thinks that I believe what's inside counts more
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Posted: 2014-01-30 22:34:21
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cu015170 Posts: > 500


On 2014-01-30 17:21:32, mlife wrote:
Resistance doesn't bother me 1% as much as ignorance.....


Yea.. what can you do

By the way do you use a mail for exchange account on your 808 ? For some reason my Microsoft account is having issues syncing..


On 2014-01-30 17:38:51, aussieland1 wrote:
Smartphone means being able to run applications that add capability to the phone. So no it is not about the brand name but about the capabilities that are added to the phone by those apps something that you can't do with Nokia 808


There are a many application that add to the capabilities of the 808.. c'mon now.. you know better than that. For example Joikuspot adds Wi-Fi hotspot functionality to the 808. Also, keep in mind that Symbian has a lot of things built in.. for example, there is no need for a "flashlight" app .. or a photo editor, or..voip SIP client, etc.


On 2014-01-30 17:08:16, Luca-S wrote:
Corporative emails with direct access to internal system of my job via browser that can't be displayed on "mobile".
Some kind of fun watching Netflix and some websites with streaming.
Gaming in my free time too.
And a lot of other things that i have sure you'll use to argue that there's a way to it. (with an ARM11 and 512mb of RAM...)

And about the article that you showed,BS.
I would like to have one 808 here to exemplify what i'm talking about.
But i'll not spend 600$+ just to show you are wrong. (808 here is pricey and 1020 costs almost 1000$ dollars)



I see.. so you have a lot of things that you won't be able to do as well on the 808 as you do on your current device. I am not saying that the 808 can do everything, but it does most things well enough. The slow hardware is indeed a limitation.. but it all comes down to what you need the device for.

You see.. I have a Dell venue pro 8 (a Windows 8.1 x86 based machine) that I have in my bag, and my 808 can be a hotspot.. so I can do everything I need on a full fledged system if I really needed to. Also the screen on the Dell is much better for browsing and gaming.

As far as your stand alone camera.. it doesn't stand a chance against the 808 in terms of pure IQ. It has advantages such as zoom and a more powerful flash, but overall.. no contest.


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Posted: 2014-01-30 22:50:03
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Tsepz_GP Posts: > 500


On 2014-01-30 18:46:49, mlife wrote:

On 2014-01-30 18:32:29, Tsepz_GP wrote:
Don't play stupid with me you know exactly what I mean by One Trick Pony. If you REALLY don't then I really can't help you there.

A little facetious maybe.... Stupid.. not by a long shot but if it makes you feel better, I'm good with that.


On 2014-01-30 18:32:29, Tsepz_GP wrote:
Much like BlackBerry with its Security, the 808PV only has the Camera as a truly standout feature, it's beaten by even mid end Androids at everything else, including ease of use.


It only has the Camera.... really??? who's playing stupid now? If you really believe that it's I who cannot help you. But as I've said before, I'm open to learning. So please provide me a list of features without mentioning specific name brands which this "one trick pony" can't do and don't say that's not what its about this time... because you are now saying that by insinuating it is a one trick pony.... thats my only point... you want to bash it.... but you do so with only general statements lacking supporting information.

I have (in my previous post) listed features which meet this request/criteria so if "mid grade" android devices have them all, COOL...although I'm not aware of ANY other android device which has every feature of the 808. I want to now hear from you what any android device does have which is NOT on that list.

.......again, in case your forgetting.... here is my original post and I stand behind it...

On 2014-01-29 16:12:57, mlife wrote:
What cracks me up is how 808 users (myself included) get backlash for calling it the best camera but then the best anyone can ever do is beat the same dead horse over and over....
-you have no apps,
-your platform is dead,
-its not a proper smartphone"....
BLA BLA BLA ....

The FACT of the matter is this - It's all about preference, if you're too good to use mobile banking pages via web and MUST have a glitzy "App for that" , thats fine by me and I'll never fault a user for their choice... BUT enough of this crap already! When you can INTELLIGENTLY present to me

A) A phone which takes better photos or
B) A phone that can do a task (NON-specific / NO NAME BRANDS) that you can't accomplish with an 808 or even a 1020 for that matter then please STFU.

I get it, there are haters out there and alway will be, I'm just tired of how LAZY society in general is becoming... OMG, the world is going to END because I actually have to log on to my bank via the webpage!!! boo-hooo-hooo.... some people (maybe its just me) couldn't give a crap less about apps or processor speed and I don't fault those who don't care about image quality. JUST PLEASE STOP trying to put something/someone down because it doesn't meet YOUR needs. HOLY CRAP - GROW UP already. You (general term / not directed at any individual) will NEVER convince me to buy an android/ios device based on the current arguments just as I would never suspect you'll put down your device for an imagining phone with IQ beyond your desire or understanding.

Is a Toyota prius better than a 1967 A/C Shelby Cobra 427 just because it has fancy computer and the latest Li Battery technology.... Sure to some - ABSOLUTELY - Me, Ill take the Cobra EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK.... but I guess Im just a lame symbian user.... OH WELL
[ This Message was edited by: mlife on 2014-01-30 10:56 ]


[ This Message was edited by: mlife on 2014-01-30 17:56 ]



Lol, what gets me is that you respond as if I said the 808 only has A CAMERA, yet you bolded exactly what I said weird.
No, I'm not playing your game of "what can it do that the 808 can't" as that is a card that could be pulled even by someone who owns a 7yearold N95 or HTC TyTNII, I could always say my GS4 can have 3 different apps in one screen, I can watch a video while web browsing or social networking or while watching another video, that it can Notify me the moment I pick it up with a vibration as it can sense it's being taken from a table, that I can check notifications by simply waving my hand over it without touching it at all, I can still watch Full Flash videos, can shoot HD1080p with both Cameras at the same time, has Infrared to Control my TV, Set-top-box, DVD player, Home theater system etc...knowing for a fact your 808 can't do those things (ooh, oops mistakenly got caught up there ), but for the most part the features themselves overall can be found in most smartphones, it's a pointless argument.

The experience, simplicity and ease of getting the same things done on a 808 is simply not as good as on an Android, and in most of the functions we've listed such as Media Consumption, Banking, Social Networking, Enterprise, HD Gaming etc... The 808 can do these to a certain point but faces limitation at points and will easily be surpassed by mid end Androids to, while in the Camera department it is untouchable, that makes it a one trick pony, it's very good at one thing while it's average at best at all else if not quite bad at others.
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Posted: 2014-01-30 23:02:07
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aussieland1 Posts: > 500


On 2014-01-30 22:50:03, cu015170 wrote:
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There are a many application that add to the capabilities of the 808.. c'mon now.. you know better than that. For example Joikuspot adds Wi-Fi hotspot functionality to the 808. Also, keep in mind that Symbian has a lot of things built in.. for example, there is no need for a "flashlight" app .. or a photo editor, or..voip SIP client, etc.




Yes of course I know. All I was trying to say was that it is not about being able to run brand name apps but about the capabilities that those apps are adding to the phone. I get your point and mlife's point that Nokia 808 has plenty of smartphone capabilities as it is (out of the box and through 3rd party apps) but at the same time there are some missing (which come mainly through 3rd party apps developed for android but not Symbian)

Anyway I will end here before I will make mlife angry again
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Posted: 2014-01-30 23:36:03
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