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On 2014-01-30 23:36:03, aussieland1 wrote:
Yes of course I know. All I was trying to say was that it is not about being able to run brand name apps but about the capabilities that those apps are adding to the phone. I get your point and mlife's point that Nokia 808 has plenty of smartphone capabilities as it is (out of the box and through 3rd party apps) but at the same time there are some missing (which come mainly through 3rd party apps developed for android but not Symbian)
Anyway I will end here before I will make mlife angry again
1st off, I was never angry just in disbelief at your apparent disregard or willfully overlooking the fact that the 808 is a very capable "smartphone" which can do most every task other smartphones can.
I have no problem with open and passionate debate on a topic so long at you are doing so with some essence of intelligent thought or reason. but when over and over, you (referring to Tsepz_GP here) spew the same garbage with little attempt to make progress in the debate, I will simply ignore you as I don't wish to bait trolls.
However, I still think maybe I've missed something.... I'm a bit confused by this statement;
On 2014-01-30 23:36:03, aussieland1 wrote:
but at the same time there are some missing
So as I don't take it out of context, I'll explain why I'm confused and politely ask that you explain further so that I can understand..... Are you saying that after all we have discussed, you still think some functionality is missing from the 808? If so, I'm still waiting to hear what that is (less specific names as agreed upon earlier) so I may understand how in your eyes (outside of speed or glitz) the 808 is "missing" anything.
cheers
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Posted: 2014-01-31 00:58:44
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On 2014-01-30 22:50:03, cu015170 wrote:
I see.. so you have a lot of things that you won't be able to do as well on the 808 as you do on your current device. I am not saying that the 808 can do everything, but it does most things well enough. The slow hardware is indeed a limitation.. but it all comes down to what you need the device for.
You see.. I have a Dell venue pro 8 (a Windows 8.1 x86 based machine) that I have in my bag, and my 808 can be a hotspot.. so I can do everything I need on a full fledged system if I really needed to. Also the screen on the Dell is much better for browsing and gaming.
As far as your stand alone camera.. it doesn't stand a chance against the 808 in terms of pure IQ. It has advantages such as zoom and a more powerful flash, but overall.. no contest.
Disagree in almost all words.
As i said,you would try to use evasive answers. (i was right in this point too)
You see... An notebook weighs what? 2kg? 1,5kg? I presume that your bag have another things inside too,right?
Well,my three phones together don't even reach 500g...
You are not saying that the 808 does everything,are just trying to persuade.
But, listen and try to understand... Your phone is not your Dell venue pro 8.
If i had done the same thing using the same consentaneity (that you used) i could say "hey my Nikon Df with it's 36,0mm x 23,9mm sensor and my AF-S Nikkor lenses is better!" but i don't like it.
Write this kind of details neither. (i know you love this numbers)
I will repeat my opinion on this comparison: booooooooshhhheeeeet
You are illogical trying to show the "IQ superiority" of 808 dude.
Numbers are nothing against praticity.
Oh! I agree only with "no contest"!
808 has no chance.
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Posted: 2014-01-31 04:02:15
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^ Your issue with the 808 is that it can't do the things you need it to do, correct ? So this is why you don't want/own one which is perfectly fine.
What I think you are trying to tell me is that its not good enough for my own personal use ?
There is no right or wrong here.. the 808 works perfectly fine for me as an every day smartphone for my own needs. It works for me, it doesn't work for you.. its very simple. I don't feel like I am missing out on anything by not using the latest smartphones, I really don't. What they bring is of little use to me.. the main things that I need my smartphone to do, such as
GPS/Navigation
phone calls
texting
web browsing
e-mail
camera
audio recording
music player
voip/Skype
youtube
etc.
I really don't need to watch need to be browsing on a 4 inch screen for hours, or watching a movie, or even playing a complex 3D game. Those things are trivial to me.
As far as you camera.. please show me some pictures taken with it (in optimal conditions) so that I can see this amazing quality you speak of.
If its anything remotely close to this, I will admit that I am wrong..
https://o1elvq.bn1303.livefil[....]gOG64sojiA/2014-01-15-0490.jpg
https://o1elvq.bn1301.livefil[....]pbXhiqBJCg/2012-08-09-1479.jpg
https://o1elvq.bn1304.livefil[....]KIR1tBNGt0/2012-08-12-1673.jpg
I highly doubt it tho..
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Posted: 2014-01-31 06:03:05
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On 2014-01-31 00:58:44, mlife wrote:
1st off, I was never angry just in disbelief at your apparent disregard or willfully overlooking the fact that the 808 is a very capable "smartphone" which can do most every task other smartphones can.
I have no problem with open and passionate debate on a topic so long at you are doing so with some essence of intelligent thought or reason. but when over and over, you (referring to Tsepz_GP here) spew the same garbage with little attempt to make progress in the debate, I will simply ignore you as I don't wish to bait trolls.
However, I still think maybe I've missed something.... I'm a bit confused by this statement;
So as I don't take it out of context, I'll explain why I'm confused and politely ask that you explain further so that I can understand..... Are you saying that after all we have discussed, you still think some functionality is missing from the 808? If so, I'm still waiting to hear what that is (less specific names as agreed upon earlier) so I may understand how in your eyes (outside of speed or glitz) the 808 is "missing" anything.
cheers
thank you for giving me a chance to explain my statement
As i said the functions that i believe are missing on Nokia 808 are added on Android by installing certain 3rd party apps (glitz apps as you call them).
CU did suggest one that is missing on Nokia 808 out of the box but on Android is a preinstalled capability :wifi hotspot
[ This Message was edited by: aussieland1 on 2014-01-31 07:49 ]
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Posted: 2014-01-31 08:01:51
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On 2014-01-31 00:58:44, mlife wrote:
On 2014-01-30 23:36:03, aussieland1 wrote:
Yes of course I know. All I was trying to say was that it is not about being able to run brand name apps but about the capabilities that those apps are adding to the phone. I get your point and mlife's point that Nokia 808 has plenty of smartphone capabilities as it is (out of the box and through 3rd party apps) but at the same time there are some missing (which come mainly through 3rd party apps developed for android but not Symbian)
Anyway I will end here before I will make mlife angry again
1st off, I was never angry just in disbelief at your apparent disregard or willfully overlooking the fact that the 808 is a very capable "smartphone" which can do most every task other smartphones can.
I have no problem with open and passionate debate on a topic so long at you are doing so with some essence of intelligent thought or reason. but when over and over, you (referring to Tsepz_GP here) spew the same garbage with little attempt to make progress in the debate, I will simply ignore you as I don't wish to bait trolls.
However, I still think maybe I've missed something.... I'm a bit confused by this statement;
On 2014-01-30 23:36:03, aussieland1 wrote:
but at the same time there are some missing
So as I don't take it out of context, I'll explain why I'm confused and politely ask that you explain further so that I can understand..... Are you saying that after all we have discussed, you still think some functionality is missing from the 808? If so, I'm still waiting to hear what that is (less specific names as agreed upon earlier) so I may understand how in your eyes (outside of speed or glitz) the 808 is "missing" anything.
cheers
No
You're ignoring me because I won't argue the way you want me to. You know what I'm saying is true, it's the very reason why Nokia tried so hard to modernise Symbian, get more developers and make it less complicated and more productive. The proof is in every move Nokia made up to the point where they realised Symbian was done and would cost too much to bring it even close to what Android was.
You simply want to stick to the functionality argument hence why you don't want "name brands" as then at least you'll be able to throw in the 808's spec sheet
that's fine by me, as you've already proved my point by doing that.
Cheers!
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Posted: 2014-01-31 09:00:59
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On 2014-01-31 08:01:51, aussieland1 wrote:
thank you for giving me a chance to explain my statement
As i said the functions that i believe are missing on Nokia 808 are added on Android by installing certain 3rd party apps (glitz apps as you call them).
CU did suggest one that is missing on Nokia 808 out of the box but on Android is a preinstalled capability :wifi hotspot
[ This Message was edited by: aussieland1 on 2014-01-31 07:49 ]
I don't care so much if it's "out of the box" or not... I'm just talking about functionality.... CU's example is actually a great one (another for the list), Wifi hotspot. Although him mentioning the name of the app was not necessary the fact that the 808 can perform that same exact functionality is my only point. So just to ensure there is no misunderstandings, please feel free to name that functionality that is still missing (which you can gain via ANY app) just don't name the app, simply list the function it provides.
808 abilities;
-Camera
-Web browsing
-xenon flash
-bluetooth
-FM Transmitter
-USB host support
-HDMI
-Fully functional planner / calendar
-Timed profiles
-App support
-DLNA capability
-3.5mm video out
-removable memory & battery
-Social networking
-Banking
-News & Weather
-Offline navigation
-Mirror link
-NFC
-Music
-Video Chat
-Bookmarks
-Wifi hotspot
I truly am curious what another PHONE can offer which warrants all this symbian bashing (directed at no particular post/member). It cracks me up so now I simply want to document how capable of a device it really is - thats all - and I'll repeat, I'm not saying it's the best nor is it the fastest (by a long shot) but it is just as capable* as any other device out there.
*If you choose to dispute this claim, be prepared to compare functionality (as a percentage) based on the list of things the 808 CAN do as listed above. I.E. Don't hit me with ONE feature the 808 doesn't have if that device is missing THREE from the 808 list.
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Posted: 2014-01-31 12:52:53
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^ That's the list I care about as well
It has everything most people would ever need and more..
On 2014-01-31 09:00:59, Tsepz_GP wrote:
The proof is in every move Nokia made up to the point where they realised Symbian was done and would cost too much to bring it even close to what Android was.
A lot of people have this one wrong.. Symbian as an OS is in fact a more modern solution than any of the other big 3 at the moment, what did happen was that Nokia fukced up and couldn't develop the interface fast enough, and fix the packaging issues for the apps.. the .sis infrastructure sucked.
Symbian C++ I s very powerful, but it few people know how to properly code with it.. the applications that a are properly written in C++ are very robust and work great. A good example is Gravity.
So the OS was fine, its just that it's owner didn't know how to handle it, and destroyed itself in the process.
Android is a hack job, please don't give as an exemplary mobile operating system. If you are going to do that, point a proper piece of software such as iOS7 or Windows NT (WP8), or BB10..
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Posted: 2014-01-31 12:54:48
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Aussieland
You are going to go in circles, he's going to continue to list the same old things and keep the argument about nothing more but features, a stupid argument at that as anyone with a 7yrld flagship Symbian or WM could bring the same list yet we know the actual EXPERIENCE is far from what's written.
cu015170
You know I was talking about Interface, that has been argument from the beginning. Most users couldn't give a damn how great an OS is in its inner workings, what they want is something functional, simple and productive, and Symbian's interface didn't help it much with customers and developers.
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Posted: 2014-01-31 13:28:07
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On 2014-01-31 13:28:07, Tsepz_GP wrote:
Aussieland
You are going to go in circles, he's going to continue to list the same old things and keep the argument about nothing more but features, a stupid argument at that as anyone with a 7yrld flagship Symbian or WM could bring the same list yet we know the actual EXPERIENCE is far from what's written.
WoW... you do get it.... But that only further strengthens my point about the 808, so I thank you.
Today's smart phones really aren't any smarter than Nokia was putting out 10 YEARS AGO!!! but yet, you still want to say it's an inferior device which lacks something or another. However, by your own admission, it lacks NOTHING other than fancy marketing and sales tactics or maybe a specific group of apps (albeit subjective and I will not debate/dispute) which it will never have as the platform as been abandoned.
As far as EXPERIENCE, you keep going back to this but again this is VERY subjective and opinionated... your experience maybe, not mine! I love the 808 and it does EVERYTHING I need it to plus some. So that is why I have said many times, I will not ever knock other devices (outside of jest) but I simply am tired of hearing/seeing all the same garbage vomited up over and over about nokia/symbian. The FACT of the matter is, if you're not in a rush, don't care about playing candy crush, have no need to "impress" your friends with the "latest" iphone or do a little bit of actual research - you will find the Nokia is A VERY CAPABLE DEVICE - PERIOD
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Posted: 2014-01-31 13:44:23
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mlife
-watch live tv/football highlights/basketball highlights
-watch tv shows
- get sport/news push notifications
- easiliy send money to someone's bank account using the person's bank account
- use the phone as a remote to control the tv/hi def equipment in the house
- watch video whilst browsing the net
- have two apps open at the same time on the screen (useless on the 4 inches screen i know)
- connect the phone to a controller to play games on the TV
-wifi direct (much faster than bluetooth)
-integrate internet video call/messaging app contacts into the phone book
this is not meant to be nokia/symbian bashing though- just a list that i don't think Nokia 808 is capable of doing. if it can i will admit it and appologiaze but i am not trying to put Nokia 808 and Symbian down etc
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Posted: 2014-01-31 13:50:07
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