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On 2009-11-25 12:32:19, Boinng wrote:
On 2009-11-25 11:42:56, XPHCTOC wrote:
It's now official Boinng it will be upgraded to 2.0 and then to flan.
I'm not arguing (and I'm genuinely happy for SE if they really are getting this right) but where was this confirmed?
It was first confirmed on an Xperia X10 event held in Netherlands last week.
Read a few pages back.
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Posted: 2009-11-25 12:41:39
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i'm growing interest in this Rachael.
however, i'm not that fond to the "Timescape - Mediascape" thingy. sure it looks cool, but god knows how much juice their drinking from the CPU and the RAM. i prefer functionality over form. and that why i think the standard donut UI will be suitable for me.
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Posted: 2009-11-25 12:53:40
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Hang on - you mean this Google translated article -
http://translate.google.com/t[....]d%2529%26utm_content%3DTwitter ?
Is that really it? There's nothing more official from SE themselves? No clear statement on their launch blog, press release, official site?
To be honest, I always thought it was unlikely that the X10 wouldn't get 2.0 at some stage, but if I was interested in buying this I'd still be uneasy about it - and about how long I might have to wait. It still seems like SE don't want us to be thinking about this too much. If 2.0 is definitely coming, and in any kind of timescale that makes it worthwhile (ie, in the next few months before it's also superceded), then why don't they just write that into the the whitepaper and have it writ large on the product page? Why are we relying on a (not infallible) Google translation to find this out, and then accepting that as gospel?
You'd think SE had never dissapointed anyone over a smartphone OS upgrade before. In reality, it's been the main failing of every smartphone they've released to date. The P800 never even got past UIQ2.0 with 2.1 reserved solely for the P900, the P900 never got an official update for the MS Duo limitation when the P910 was released with Pro Duo support (even though hackers proved it could be done in software), the P910 and all of its apps were history as soon as the completely incompatible UIQ3 came out, most of the UIQ3 devices were disasters which never got truly fixed firmware and the later G series was orphaned completely within a few months of release, the X1 never got Windows Mobile 6.5 although it's perfectly capable of running it, the Satio hasn't even had one working firmware yet (and early chat about updates to Symbian^2 etc is now long forgotten), but the X10's definitely getting Eclair
and Flan because a dutch website says so? You've got to love people's faith...
[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2009-11-25 12:39 ]
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Posted: 2009-11-25 13:00:30
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On 2009-11-25 13:00:30, Boinng wrote:
You've got to love people's faith...
[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2009-11-25 12:39 ]
And you've got to love to rant, for the sake of ranting, keep up the good work buddy!
You and sealover should get together sometime soon, i'm sure it would be a blast!
In here though, we are pretty much sick of it.
The X10 is not perfect by any means, and neither have the presentation of the facts around this device been.
But seeing the glass as half empty all the time is "#¤% annoying imo!
Give us a break!
Like yesterday.
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Posted: 2009-11-25 13:55:24
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On 2009-11-25 12:21:44, Boinng wrote:
On 2009-11-25 11:42:56, synn wrote:
You really need to spend some time researching how PR works.
Actually no, I don't need to do anything as I don't produce any PR.
You sure need some help to understand it though.
First rule of PR: Don't throw a bone if you don't have to. Think about it for a while and get back to me with something more than useless rhetoric.
Do you think the general populace outside the forums give a flying duck about mixed messages? When the phone is launched; if (Fingers crossed) it has the latest version of the OS running on it, people would try it out in the showrooms and buy it if they like. That's just how it is.
Give up with your useless Satio argument, btw. The firmware I and many people around the world have is working perfectly and you're free to fly down and test the handset out to verify the authenticity of the claim; should you feel inclined to do so.
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Posted: 2009-11-25 13:56:15
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On 2009-11-25 13:56:15, synn wrote:
Do you think the general populace outside the forums give a flying duck about mixed messages?
They don't have to care about them to be confused or misled by them. If you're considering a Droid or "Milestone" purchase and you heard (from any of the many news services etc that faithfully reported it) that the X10 is only going to be an Android 1.6 device, then you might well decide to just buy the Droid now, and forget about waiting for the apparently outdated X10. If you're trying to say that actually (in spite of all the evidence to the contrary) the X10 is going to have 2.0 at or soon after launch, then SE's PR strategy has actually cast the phone in an unfairly negative light and probably lost them sales.
When the phone is launched; if (Fingers crossed) it has the latest version of the OS running on it, people would try it out in the showrooms and buy it if they like. That's just how it is.
You're describing the point where all the PR in the world becomes completely irrelevant anyway. The point of the PR in the first place is to get those people into the showrooms to see if they like it. If it hasn't done that, because it's not sold it well enough in advance or actually downplayed some of its features and attributes, then it's failed.
Once people are trying the phone out for themselves, then the best PR in the world isn't going to save a bad device (although the reverse isn't necessarily true).
Give up with your useless Satio argument, btw.
What argument?
[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2009-11-25 13:16 ]
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Posted: 2009-11-25 14:12:22
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If you're considering a Droid or "Milestone" purchase and you heard (from any of the many news services etc that faithfully reported it) that the X10 is only going to be an Android 1.6 device
Go back about 10 pages, read up on the difference between Google experience devices and custom android builds and come back. My effort is wasted otherwise.
for the apparently outdated X10.
Faster processor, bigger screen, more memory, hugely better camera... exactly how outdated IS it?
You're describing the point where all the PR in the world becomes completely irrelevant anyway. The point of the PR in the first place is to get those people into the showrooms to see if they like it.
No, that's advertising. Different strategies, different priorities. SE would do it when the phone is ready to be shipped.
Jeez, does everything need to be spoonfed to you?
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Posted: 2009-11-25 14:26:27
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On 2009-11-25 14:26:27, synn wrote:
Go back about 10 pages, read up on the difference between Google experience devices and custom android builds and come back. My effort is wasted otherwise.
Your effort is misguided, and yes - wasted. Nobody cares about the difference between Google experience devices and custom android builds, the question for the consumer is simply when (or indeed whether) the X10 will get updated, and why SE's PR machine has spent so much time and money expressly not reassuring any potential customers on that point.
We all understand why the Droid has 2.0 ahead of the X10 (or any other Android device). What's not absolutely clear is whether the X10 is actually getting 2.0 at all, or at least any time soon, despite the unusually prolonged and long-term PR campaign SE are trying to whip up about this phone (still destined for next year, let's not forget).
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Posted: 2009-11-25 14:43:31
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With Google announcing turn-by-turn navigation for 1.6 and SE implementing the bluetooth stack, what exactly on the Droid is better than the X10(As of today)? Seriously...
You of all people, using a horribly crippled device all in the name of "User experience" should know better.
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Posted: 2009-11-25 14:48:01
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My horribly crippled device has been well supported over the past year by regular updates and new features, including at least one very significant upgrade bringing in many of the horribly crippled new features of the latest model. I've always been running the most up to date version of my horribly crippled phone's OS, and been able to use my horribly crippled hardware to the full.
Apple have taught the industry (and many of its customers) a thing or two about how smartphone OS updates should be handled, horribly crippled or not.
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what exactly on the Droid is better than the X10(As of today)?
The price sticker, indicating that you can actually buy it?
[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2009-11-25 14:44 ]
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