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Islam is minority in denmark... yea so wats ur point? it wont effect the whole Islam community in the world??? It does effect....... ofcoz.. it effected me for sure...
"if you believe god/allah created everything on earth then he also created irreverence, irony, cynicism and humour. i personally believe that god must have a sense of humour, otherwise nobody else could have one. "
Yes true.... ofcoz God created everything.... all the senses.. but the one that do the actions is not God its you.... he dont control ur legs, hands, mind.. its your choice your decisions... its a test.. u want to do Sin or Good.. its ur choice..
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Posted: 2006-02-06 07:36:40
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On 2006-02-06 07:30:02, absinthebri wrote:
Come to the US or the UK and try publishing a cartoon showing an obviously "Jewish" character, blood dripping from his mouth, grasping at Palestine and see how long you avoid a jail cell.
given that neo-nazi groups are free to publish in those countries with virtual impunity, my answer would be "indefinitely"
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On 2006-02-06 07:30:02, absinthebri wrote:"Freedom of Speech" in the West is VERY subjective.
as this whole situation has proved.
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On 2006-02-06 07:36:40, 02 wrote:
Islam is minority in denmark... yea so wats ur point? it wont effect the whole Islam community in the world??? It does effect....... ofcoz.. it effected me for sure...
my point is that the entire social and legal value structure of denmark, or the entire EU, or western world for that matter, should not have to be compromised for the sake of appeasing those whose actions should not be tolerated by anyone.
Quote:On 2006-02-06 07:36:40, 02 wrote:
Yes true.... ofcoz God created everything.... all the senses.. but the one that do the actions is not God its you.... he dont control ur legs, hands, mind.. its your choice your decisions... its a test.. u want to do Sin or Good.. its ur choice..
absolutely agree. but let me ask this - what right have you to judge my sins?
the saddest thing is that protesters and rioters who promote this culture of victimhood aren't victims at all. it's the decent hardworking muslims who quietly go about their lives in accordance with their beliefs, and the rest of us whose basic rights are being threatened.
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Posted: 2006-02-06 07:38:45
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On 2006-02-06 07:38:45, gelfen wrote:
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On 2006-02-06 07:30:02, absinthebri wrote:
Come to the US or the UK and try publishing a cartoon showing an obviously "Jewish" character, blood dripping from his mouth, grasping at Palestine and see how long you avoid a jail cell.
given that neo-nazi groups are free to publish in those countries with virtual impunity, my answer would be "indefinitely"
Jews and Sikhs are specifically protected in the UK (as they are considered a racial group). Muslims are not. I'm free to insult the Islamic faith in any way I choose, but not the Jewish faith.
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Posted: 2006-02-06 07:47:08
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d west is desperately trying to make people agree that d war on terror is actually a war against ISLAM.
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Posted: 2006-02-06 07:50:03
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Jews and Sikhs are specifically protected in the UK (as they are considered a racial group). Muslims are not. I'm free to insult the Islamic faith in any way I choose, but not the Jewish faith.
so is that a good thing to do my dear friend?
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Posted: 2006-02-06 07:50:42
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Quote:On 2006-02-06 07:50:42, 02 wrote:
so is that a good thing to do my dear friend?
(sorry - that just struck me as funny
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but i agree with the sentiment.
@abisnth: i am not aware of the specific UK laws, but if it's anything like australia i would suggest that muslims are protected under general religious vilification laws since they are a religious group rather than a race.
i think this situation has gone far beyond just being about an offensive cartoon. everyone has admitted that it's offensive, ignorant and misleading -
nobody is disputing that. it's moved into the realms of an ideological debate of tolerance, respect and free speech.
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Posted: 2006-02-06 07:53:56
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Jews and Sikhs are specifically protected in the UK (as they are considered a racial group). Muslims are not. I'm free to insult the Islamic faith in any way I choose, but not the Jewish faith.
so is that a good thing to do my dear friend?
I'm merely pointing out that in the UK my "right" to freedom of speech is partial. I am "free" to offend some religious groups, but not others.
Personally, I would attempt to avoid offending any group on the ground of religious belief, but I believe that should be my choice, not something proscribed by law.
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Posted: 2006-02-06 07:54:42
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In my humble opinion, violence/vengeance is not the answer to whatever insult hurled into any religion, Islam, Jewish or Christian. Let God be God. If one truly believes that God is just, one should not take offense because God will always be there to judge.
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Posted: 2006-02-06 07:54:47
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@steele
I 100% agree with you!
thats wat im saying.. different people are different.. some go crazy and some try to explain things in forums in a peaceful manner... ; )
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Posted: 2006-02-06 07:58:53
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@steele: agreed
@absinth: and yet "the merchant of venice" still gets performed from time to time. those kinds of laws exist to prevent those whose sole intention is to offend or discrimminate. in the case of the cartoons, it could be argued that they are intended as political (not religious) satire - although i wouldn't personally be convinced. there are artworks and plays far more offensive to christians which haven't led to this kind of reaction.
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Posted: 2006-02-06 08:03:25
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