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{Not everyone either uses iTunes}
Everyone who uses an iPod does - and the iPhone is basically an iPod, and is likely to appeal to current and potential iPod purchasers.

And not everyone use an iPod. Remember, those using the iPod only use iTunes because they have to.

At least other mobile manufacturers support drag and drop which many people find simpler than software. And the biggest restriction of being forced to use iTunes for the iPhone, is that now you cannot use the iPhone (as I explained earlier) as an external "hard drive" for transporting files.

{Three step calling process}

Well, as discussed, there are at least six steps, as described the reviews:
- Wake the phone
- Slide the 'Unlock' button
- Summon the 'Home Screen'
- Open the Phone program
- View the Recent Calls/Contacts/Speed Dial
- Select the number/name

And on a Sony Ericsson it can done 3 to 4 steps:
- Unlock the phone
- Hold a number key to instantly scroll to a particular section, i.e. 5 goes straight to 'J'.
- Call if you land on contact or scroll a little then call.

OR
- Unlock the phone
- Press 'Calls'
- Scroll and call

And especially if you want to just type out a number by hand, normal mobiles win.

{Photography comment}

When the revolutionary/intuitive (which it is) photo viewing interface that is available on the iPhone is promoted as such, it is only fitting that it have an appropriate camera to go with it.

Just the addition of AF and a flash would be enough.

3G battery drain

I'll be watching for the 3G (Euro) iPhone's review then.

Convenience of no screen

I can tell you that Creative was merely playing the the public's 'stupidness'. And guess what. A month later they've announced a Creative Stone Plus with a screen. Same size (one millimetre is neglibible) with a half an hour lower battery life.

I can recall countless people struggling to find something to listen to on the train when using their shuffles. The skip function is used too often on those.

The millions of users of the Shuffle were not all looking for an MP3 player to just turn on a listen to randomly. They bought it because it was Apple. If it had a screen it would have sold better. No?

And if Microsoft came out with a competing product with no screen that was even smaller and had even better battery life, do you think it would have sold as well?

It shows how Apple can get away with 'being Apple'.

How is the N95 a contradiction?

Because maybe Nokia left it in despite in the lack of widespread availability in the USA. Whereas it appears that Apple plans to segregate its users.

{Defacto features (mp3 ringtones, video, voice dial)}
A screen on a digital camera is a fundamental necessary feature. FM radio on a digital music player is not. Saying that all digital cameras (or most) have a 2.5" screen is just plain wrong. A quick flick through any camera mag reveals screen sizes anywhere from 1.6" up to 4 inches. A 2.5" screen isn't standard by any means.

Actually, if you look at any recent camera announcement, both low end and high end (most low end at least) have 2.5" screens. I'm not sure where you get the 1.6" screens from. There are a rarity nowadays. The standard size IS 2.5".

And for a phone, don't you think easy access to calling is also a fundamental feature?

But really, the key word was de facto which isn't a rule, it just is.

{One handed use}
We don't know that yet. If you can "scroll lists, and so on" with one hand, why wouldn't you be able to type with one hand? And anyway, in what situations would you need to type messages with just one hand? (Don't say whilst driving!)

Well because the phone is 61mm wide. That's far too wide for an average hand to comfortably (without risk of dropping the phone) to operate everything.

See Jools, I'm unsure of what you're arguing. You consistently fail to acknowledge the flaws of the iPhone and you make excuses for them. It makes you look as though you are a supporter of the phone and are a potential buyer - but you also say that you don't want to buy it in its current state which proves that you do acknowledge that the 'minor flaws' add up to an unbalanced phone.

I know that it is a very good phone in regards to interface and the internet. It isn't really that special in regards to music. Not that a lot can be improved anymore. Most people tend to just leave their music on shuffle anyway.

But there are many other small flaws which add to a product that doesn't deserve half the hype that it gets, and that's what I'm arguing. It's a seriously flawed phone - every phone is - but this is more flawed than phones like maybe the W960 or K850. That's just my opinion.

It has some really good pluses, but they are too heavily outweighed by the negatives. There are too many of them, and even when it's released in Europe, the addition of 3G will only convert one con and take down another one of its pros.
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Posted: 2007-06-29 15:28:42
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Considering it is not released yet, how can people speculate on anything other than the constantly updated specs? Apple has been dropping feature bombs almost daily it seems. Hell by 18:00 East Coast time, the iPhone could be 3G, A-GPS capable, 20 HD, 100 hour standby, etc......
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Posted: 2007-06-29 15:45:19
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@saporobaby - i seriously doubt it.

well nearly 8,000 votes cast since this morning and over 71% think this phone does not justify the hype its recieving!

i was expecting around 50/50 but i guess 29% of people that have voted are the MAC/IPOD users...
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Posted: 2007-06-29 15:49:18
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normally when a product is over hyped, people tend to start disliking it.
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Posted: 2007-06-29 15:50:51
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@QVGA,

You have a point. Hype or not, if it is 10% successful, Nokia (which is not vulnerable), SE (which is highly vulnerable) had better start developing their own iPhone type device.

Like it or love it, the iPhone is changing the game. Nothing wrong with that. The closest thing to an iPhone in my opinion is the N95. It has its strengths and a boatload of weaknesses but I think in the end, the iPhone would win out in a shoot out (talking about a 3G version, not the crippled US version).
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Posted: 2007-06-29 15:58:13
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this makes me laugh, Apple could of released any old crap and people would think its great. please just look at the specs and compare it to the N95, the iphone is so 2006!!!!!
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Posted: 2007-06-29 16:16:25
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SOme parts for sure, however you should know that Apple listens, upgrades, and for the most part meets customers demands.

Talk about 2004. Have you seen SE's phones?



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Posted: 2007-06-29 16:20:04
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i'd take a W950 over the iphone anyday of the week...
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Posted: 2007-06-29 16:28:09
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You can not be serious. Well, yes, if you like old technology. I can understand this. By the way, SE has discontinued support for some of their UIQ phones. Is the w950i mentioned as well?


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Posted: 2007-06-29 16:43:50
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Ha! This is getting boring now...

And not everyone use an iPod.

When did I say everyone uses an iPod? 70-80% of digital audio player owners do though (not phones with MP3 capability).

you can't use iPhone (as I explained earlier) as an external "hard drive" for transporting files.

Nobody has ever claimed you can. I have a 160GB pocket sized Firewire harddrive and a 4GB USB stick for that.

{Three step calling process}

You conveniently left out a couple of steps for SE:

And on a Sony Ericsson it can done 3 to 4 steps:
- Press a button to wake the display
- Unlock the phone (2 presses)
- Hold a number key to instantly scroll to a particular section, i.e. 5 goes straight to 'J'.
- Call if you land on contact or scroll a little then call. (1, 2 or 3 presses)

OR
- Wake the phone 1(1 press)
- Unlock the phone (2 presses)
- Press 'Calls'
- Scroll (multiple presses)and call

When the revolutionary/intuitive (which it is) photo viewing interface that is available on the iPhone is promoted as such

Photo viewing and photo taking are independent - you don't need a camera in order to view photos. My 3 year old iPod has happily view photos from my Mac without a camera.

I'm still interested to see the photo taking interface of the iPhone though. I've not seen a single thing about it - photos, controls, UI or anything. Clearly photo taking is not being promoted anything like as much as the rest.

Anyone got any links?

I'll be watching for the 3G (Euro) iPhone's review then.

Me too. Maybe they're hoping we'll just accept the drop in talk/standby/usage time, or maybe better batteries are coming.

The millions of users of the Shuffle were not all looking for an MP3 player to just turn on a listen to randomly. They bought it because it was Apple.

I don't know about that. I haven't asked millions of shuffle users. I know why I got mine and a few friends go theirs, and we're all perfectly happy with them for the reason we bought. In fact, I use my shuffle more than my full-size iPod. But that's me - I'm not millions of shuffle users.

And if Microsoft came out with a competing product with no screen that was even smaller and had even better battery life, do you think it would have sold as well?

Maybe because more people hate MS with a passion than hate Apple (at the moment)!

Well because the phone is 61mm wide. That's far too wide for an average hand to comfortably (without risk of dropping the phone) to operate everything.

I personally haven't held one yet, so I don't know about that. Nor do I know what an 'average' hand is. The M600 is 6mm narrower and shorter, but 4mm fatter. I don't know how that compares in the hand to the iPhone. You need two hands to operate that (one to hold, one to point) and no-one complained.

See Jools, I'm unsure of what you're arguing. You consistently fail to acknowledge the flaws of the iPhone

Ok, just so you understand... this is my personal list of flaws in the current iPhone that would stop me buying one. Hopefully, some of these may be resolved by the time I could potentially buy one.

- No 3G
- No iChat/AOL Instant Messenger

And here's a list of things that would be nice additions, but not purchase stoppers for me:

- Cut, copy & paste support
- A2DP support
- Contact group emailling
- Better camera (not necessarily more MP, but auto-focus would be good)

All the other listed flaws (which I accept are purchase stoppers for some) don't bother me personally, because I don't use those features.

Most people tend to just leave their music on shuffle anyway.

Erm, that was exactly what I said about the merits of the iPod shuffle!!! Who's contradicting themselves now? And didn't you just say "The millions of users of the Shuffle were not all looking for an MP3 player to just turn on and listen to randomly."

Anyway....

I really don't understand why Apple gets all the media coverage it does. No other company gets it when they release a product. It is totally disproportionate to the size of the company, and their market-share.

Even BBC Radio 1 here in the UK have been reporting the iPhone release in the news all day today and yesterday. It's not even out in the UK yet. No doubt it will be on the TV news tonight, like when it was announced.

I don't understand the reasons for the sheer amount of hype. All new so-called 'revolutionary' (in whatever way) products are hyped by the manufacturers, but not by the media like Apple's stuff is. I have no idea why.

[ This Message was edited by: JoolsG4 on 2007-06-29 15:46 ]
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