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@mib: so your theory is that.. since uiq may or may not be more complex and well thought out compared to s60 (for all it's actual similarities) - UIQ has an image- problem because nokia fans can't shut up about how touch- screen interfaces just are unpopular, and that the thousand click torture is the wave of the future?
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Posted: 2007-12-15 14:35:47
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@Nipsen

Sorry but i think you will find it is UIQ fans that insist a touch screen is imperative or other such rubbish that a device without one isn't a smart phone a fact that is clearly not supported by the amount of non touch screen smart phones sold and just how many users of them there are.

Unfortunately at the moment UIQ touchscreen users are a very small minority in the world of touchscreens and even smart phones for that matter. Hopefully with the launch of the next generation of UIQ devices SE can address this issue and then grow at the same rate as other smart phones are but for now at least UIQ is very small and not even close the dominant smart phone Os's. Which again emphasis the point that whilst UIQ is what a lot of you like mainly due to your love of SE it is very hard to believe it is simply the best as surely otherwise it would be one of the most dominant Os's which it clearly isn't is it?

As for this

"and that the thousand click torture is the wave of the future? "

All you are doing with this statement is showing an extreme bias and the fact that you just don't have a clue what you are talking about.


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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2007-12-15 16:48 ]
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Posted: 2007-12-15 17:37:49
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@Nipsen..... sorry bud... but UIQ isn't exactly a one-two touch.... UIQ3 settings are in icons after icons as well..... it's just you can touch the screen....the only thing SE/UIQ has done a bit better is the use of multiple tabs imo...

the only UI i have used to date that does not have everything deep into a UI is the iphone.... but that's cause it doesn't used folders or subfolders everything is just an icon..

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Posted: 2007-12-15 18:11:04
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And the point is that..? That the iPhone isn't one touch either, and..?

I was just saying that it's more hassle reaching the options menus and so on, on a non- touch- screen - if you need to flip through more than a few menu- items on the way. I'm not sure how that really could be read into: I'm alleging that s60 needs thousand clicks where UIQ needs 1, but nevertheless...

I could say the same thing about all the "send directly to" options. If you have a good browser, relatively advanced object- manipulation(where UIQ has a long way to go) and touch- support - these helpful shortcuts stop being a necessity, or a plus, simply because you don't need specially written scripts for these functions anymore in order to use them.

Again, just two different types of solutions, one not necessarily better than the other. But both having positives and negatives, obviously. And the question is what we imagine might be a useful direction for all of this in the future. Since obviously s60 and UIQ is extremely similar, and have these weaknesses with object manipulation to lesser or greater degrees.

I.e, should there be more shortcuts and list- views to help with object- manipulation. Or should there be more graphical representations of objects and more ways to manipulate them graphically (say, copying and dragging contacts off the edges of the phone- book, cube- representation of the common functions, things of that sort), in order to strike a balance between the limitations on the screen- size and graphics and functionality of different kinds.

Of course, if anyone wanted to say something clever about other concepts on how to represent different tasks visually, and what sort of different approaches there may or may not be for visualising program- functionality in hitherto unknown and revolutionary ways - by all means, go ahead. How the iPhone is conceptually different from an abstraction of commonly used functions, and how it transcends the boundaries of traditional graphical UIs, as opposed to merely hiding options and removing functionality from the user, for example. And whether we're simply speaking about two different ways of representing the same scripted functions, etc.

And btw - yes, of course I'm biased. But this does not mean I am not fair, by definition, when I say that for such and such tasks, s60 sucks donkeyballs. It just means I have some reasons for saying s60 sucks donkeyballs. And those reasons may be good and well thought out, or they may be bad. And those reasons we can obviously discuss, if anyone actually were interested
in that.

No doubt, we could also discuss why some of you like s60 religiously, if you managed to explain it beyond "it's awesomely great".

And in the same way, anyone not allowing any other opinions except the ones that fit within their artificial one or the other constructions they somehow cannot explain how they figured out existed - is not merely dishonest, but will also predictably make completely uninteresting points. Other than how they're simply interested in wrapping their worst fanboyism in less obvious language, I mean. What can I say - I can't imagine why anyone would spend that kind of effort on explaining how "nokia is great!" with longer variations in each post - and I suppose I really want to know..
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Posted: 2007-12-15 20:12:03
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@mib
@Dogman
Well, actually TS is the future. Not only UiQ, but in general.
And people usually choose systems just because the hype, the fasion, the style.
That's why Nokia wants so much to join the club. - it is big part of future solutions.
Just see the iPhone hype.
Offers nothing but has a huge TS plus style/fashion. People buy it, the same people who would never touch it without this fasion, because it would be too complicate. But now they'll learn it because its a fashion.
In the future many things will require immediate TS system. You'll see, in the end it's much more intuitive. Just a matter of functions. Also a matter of functions, apps used more frequently, so this discussion "TS is heaven" "TS is sh..." etc. are pointless. I would never resign from TS, as much as others will never regret it.
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Posted: 2007-12-15 20:20:33
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@doministry

As i said all my smart phone devices until June 2006 were all of the Touchscreen variety so i am well versed in what they can and can't do as well as there strength and weakness's.

Now with faster processors and increased technology Touch screens are themselves evolving into being able to deliver a better user experience. This is especially so for Multimedia and this is why now after so long IMO Nokia are working on releasing Touchscreen devices for S60 and is more to do with OVI and all that will bring as much as anything else whatever people like to claim about it being a knee jerk reaction to the iPhone.

As i have said i have now survived without using a Touchscreen for over 18 months and not once have i felt i needed or missed a touchscreen, but that is not to say if the next generation of devices offer what i want i won't return. But i just do not accept that it is vital or ever will be, and people who claim there is only one OS or one input method deny themselves the advantage of of an open mind and severely limit there choices which is pointless IMO. We all choose what suits us best and there is nothing wrong with that but all this my OS is the only one and all the others are rubbish and if doesn't have a touchscreen it's useless is just so stupid it's not true it does nothing for the poster than show a lack of understanding and intellect. No one is forcing anyone to use a specific device OS or input method and why should they. As to if Touchscreen devices are the future or not only time will tell but they have a lot of ground to make up to even get near non touchscreen devices never mind become the dominant format.

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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2007-12-15 20:42 ]
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Posted: 2007-12-15 21:40:20
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I think both you guys have good points. Hardscreen phones will never be completely replaced by TS. However, I think that TS will eventually become the most common form factor for high end smartphones. I believe this because Nokia are now working on a TS and I can't see them doing that other than due to the 1. iphone success, 2. the fact that UIQ3 has maintained a TS, and 3. the strength of the WM market. So Nokia see the need for a TS to maintain their competitiveness in the high end market.

I reckon that if the TS Nokia is successful, we will eventually see it in all the high end Nokia multimedia and business phones. That in turn will drive competition. SE will no longer be able to rest on their TS Laurels, they will have to really compete instead of the half arsed effort they are making now.

But cheaper and still highly useable hardscreen devices will remain common in the mid to low end.
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Posted: 2007-12-16 00:54:04
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just to put something straight, and back nipsen a bit, there is a nice little tool, that although not part of uiq3 OS itself, puts almost everything one touch away, or one hardware key away, its called gdesk, its completely free and does not need signing
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Posted: 2007-12-16 01:37:42
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One touch away, simply means one mother of a list of options. You can add every single menu option to the shortcut list of A100/A200 phones, but ultimately you are better off just selecting the options you use the most and add them to shortcut list, othewise you are faced with a 2 hour scroll just to access a "shortcut" in the middle of the list. It's the same with s60. Without a touchscreen, there is no way you can have every function only one or two clicks away. There is going to be lot's of clicking and scrolling to access the less used functions.

imho, it's better to have an ordered menu with well thought out submenus, so that you can drill down to the options you want without having to do too much scrolling.

I use the joystick shortcuts for 4 options that I usually access from standby, and the shortcut menu to place my 20 most used functions (with the most used of those at the top and bottom of the list and the least used in the middle). That way it's only the options I use rarely that take a lot of navigating to access. s60 is an improvement with the ability to rearrange menu items into the order that suits best (though a dose of menu modding via XS++ can achieve the same thing on A100 if you are game), but it's still inevitable that some lengthy clicking, drilling and scrolling will be needed to access something. I don't think you can ever get better than that without a touchscreen.

Here touchscreens come into their own because you can simply press a hardware button then touch the option you want - no scrolling, no joystick toggling, no furious button pressing.
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Posted: 2007-12-16 08:18:34
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Why is there such a great fuss about whether S60 or UIQ 3 is the best OS?

They can perform equally if you didn't know. I have a UIQ 3 emulator on my PC and it's extremely snappy without any pauses. It's all hardware related - the thing is that UIQ phones - or UIQ phones - don't have a strong CPU while some of Nokia's offerings do.

Oh, and what some in this thread are doing - comparing SE's UIQ with Nokia's S60 - is just wrong. That's NOT comparing the operating systems, but in fact comparing the operating systems AFTER the manufacturer has had its effect on it (with extra apps and such).

The base of each OS is the same; Symbian OS 9(.1 or .2)
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Posted: 2007-12-16 10:48:49
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