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Cell is a server/workstation grade architecture which first appeared customised in PS3 use but it is based on Power Architecture which IBM created first... that's why even XBox 360 uses the same Power Core ( slightly modified one )...
Redesigning it for mobile applications will be a hell of a task, Sony making it's own ARM based SoC ( native or custom ) is much much easier than going Cell route.. hell even telling AMD to do the game is easy though AMD will need more work as they don't have any experience working on mobile ARM processors... though Sony will just have to rely on another partner for the radio part
x86 needs a very long way to be as successful as how ARM is now, like how ARM is struggling to grip a foot in the Server market...
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Posted: 2016-07-24 10:39:32
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I know we probably don't have to worry about seeing CELL ever again.
According to the game developers of PS3, it was a freaking hard architecture to make things run well. So I don't think anyone would ever want to deal with all the hassle Cell architecture brings.
I would rather see Intel and Sony conjure up something together but that is very far-fetched as well sadly.
Intel definitely has the know-how and probably the best R&D. They just need someone else to view on things differently than just the typical Intel kind of way.
nVidia is another company I think would be awesome to collaborate with. By far the best company as far as GPU goes, unfortunately that will probably cost more than it would pay off. Possibly the greediest company of them all next to Apple.
[ This Message was edited by: McKinley on 2016-07-24 10:19 ]
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Posted: 2016-07-24 11:16:44
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On 2016-07-24 09:11:48, hello1000 wrote:
Don't you forget that Sony have IBM that make Cell proccesor back then? Cell proccesor is Sony own architectuur and can easy make a design a sock or CPU for its phones or tablets if they wants.
And Sony never use Samsung socket or CPU becouse so good is Samsung not, qualcom is far better design their socket and cpu-gpu than Samsung copy and past strategy.
And intel can always produce if Sony support them.
That is hilarious considering the Exynos7420 destroyed the Snapdragon 810 last year, the 8890 owned the 820 this year, and so has been the case since the 1st SoC, known as the Hummingbird in the Galaxy S1.
By the way, Samsung helped Qualcomm with their SoCs, it happened with the S600, and again with the current 820 series, so you are contradicting yourself
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Posted: 2016-07-24 12:20:10
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On 2016-07-24 12:20:10, Tsepz_GP wrote:
On 2016-07-24 09:11:48, hello1000 wrote:
Don't you forget that Sony have IBM that make Cell proccesor back then? Cell proccesor is Sony own architectuur and can easy make a design a sock or CPU for its phones or tablets if they wants.
And Sony never use Samsung socket or CPU becouse so good is Samsung not, qualcom is far better design their socket and cpu-gpu than Samsung copy and past strategy.
And intel can always produce if Sony support them.
That is hilarious considering the Exynos7420 destroyed the Snapdragon 810 last year, the 8890 owned the 820 this year, and so has been the case since the 1st SoC, known as the Hummingbird in the Galaxy S1.
By the way, Samsung helped Qualcomm with their SoCs, it happened with the S600, and again with the current 820 series, so you are contradicting yourself
Ï do not agree, the exynos is also have problems,only people never talk about it, it always qualcom get the negative and not a woord about Samsung becouse its Samsung and you know verry good what I mean.
My old Z2 and Z3 is allready faster than any Samsung devices after couple of months, that means qualcom has far more quality over time ( even their 810 has problems) faster means not better, the trick is make the socket trustfull
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Posted: 2016-07-24 15:53:59
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The real cost is not the soc itself but the modem. Qualcomm doesn't just sell the soc, they sell the complete package. Modem and cpu in the same soc, they also handle patents and have good relations with carriers (that must certify the modem for their network) and authorities etc. Qualcomm is a modem company first and foremost.
Say Sony wants their own soc. They pay AMD or IBM x billions and get a competitive cpu. Now they must also develop or buy a competitive modem. Developing it will cost billions and require hundred of patents so that will never happen. They must buy it. That leaves Qualcomm and Intel which has modems to sell. Qualcomm is a lot better so perhaps they will choose Qualcomm anyway. They pay Qualcomm 60$ for their modem and now has a phone with their own soc and EXTERNAL modem which takes more space and draws more battery. They also spent several billions on a soc with no modem. Divide that cost with devices sold, 5-10M? (Flagships) The cost will be huuuuge.
Instead they can just buy the complete package from Qualcomm for ~80$ and be done with it. Which is why they will always choose Qualcomm.
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Posted: 2016-07-24 16:32:11
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On 2016-07-24 16:32:11, motvikt wrote:
The real cost is not the soc itself but the modem. Qualcomm doesn't just sell the soc, they sell the complete package. Modem and cpu in the same soc, they also handle patents and have good relations with carriers (that must certify the modem for their network) and authorities etc. Qualcomm is a modem company first and foremost.
Say Sony wants their own soc. They pay AMD or IBM x billions and get a competitive cpu. Now they must also develop or buy a competitive modem. Developing it will cost billions and require hundred of patents so that will never happen. They must buy it. That leaves Qualcomm and Intel which has modems to sell. Qualcomm is a lot better so perhaps they will choose Qualcomm anyway. They pay Qualcomm 60$ for their modem and now has a phone with their own soc and EXTERNAL modem which takes more space and draws more battery. They also spent several billions on a soc with no modem. Divide that cost with devices sold, 5-10M? (Flagships) The cost will be huuuuge.
Instead they can just buy the complete package from Qualcomm for ~80$ and be done with it. Which is why they will always choose Qualcomm.
Indeed, that is the key selling point for Qualcomm SoCs, the Modem, with all the "red tape" around that industry, its hard for competitors to get into this.
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Posted: 2016-07-24 17:27:13
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On 2016-07-24 16:32:11, motvikt wrote:
The real cost is not the soc itself but the modem. Qualcomm doesn't just sell the soc, they sell the complete package. Modem and cpu in the same soc, they also handle patents and have good relations with carriers (that must certify the modem for their network) and authorities etc. Qualcomm is a modem company first and foremost.
Say Sony wants their own soc. They pay AMD or IBM x billions and get a competitive cpu. Now they must also develop or buy a competitive modem. Developing it will cost billions and require hundred of patents so that will never happen. They must buy it. That leaves Qualcomm and Intel which has modems to sell. Qualcomm is a lot better so perhaps they will choose Qualcomm anyway. They pay Qualcomm 60$ for their modem and now has a phone with their own soc and EXTERNAL modem which takes more space and draws more battery. They also spent several billions on a soc with no modem. Divide that cost with devices sold, 5-10M? (Flagships) The cost will be huuuuge.
Instead they can just buy the complete package from Qualcomm for ~80$ and be done with it. Which is why they will always choose Qualcomm.
You that Samsung copy qualcom technologie in the past and later qualcom sues Samsung and later Qualcom gif it up to let Samsung buy out their patent.
Not only with Qualcom but also with the biggest RAM maker has the same problems with Samsung that Samsung copy their patent and later Samsung buy them out.
And many more like Ericsson, Nokia, nvidia enz: are victims by Samsung patent violation and Samsung always walk away without any penalty.
Apple the only one who do not bow for Samsung.
Samsung is a evil doing company, never ï want to do with that evil company that steal from others.
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Posted: 2016-07-24 18:12:38
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On 2016-07-24 16:32:11, motvikt wrote:
The real cost is not the soc itself but the modem. Qualcomm doesn't just sell the soc, they sell the complete package. Modem and cpu in the same soc, they also handle patents and have good relations with carriers (that must certify the modem for their network) and authorities etc. Qualcomm is a modem company first and foremost.
Say Sony wants their own soc. They pay AMD or IBM x billions and get a competitive cpu. Now they must also develop or buy a competitive modem. Developing it will cost billions and require hundred of patents so that will never happen. They must buy it. That leaves Qualcomm and Intel which has modems to sell. Qualcomm is a lot better so perhaps they will choose Qualcomm anyway. They pay Qualcomm 60$ for their modem and now has a phone with their own soc and EXTERNAL modem which takes more space and draws more battery. They also spent several billions on a soc with no modem. Divide that cost with devices sold, 5-10M? (Flagships) The cost will be huuuuge.
Instead they can just buy the complete package from Qualcomm for ~80$ and be done with it. Which is why they will always choose Qualcomm.
I thought the high end sells for ~$200 per unit/package?
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Posted: 2016-07-24 19:21:47
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I thought the high end sells for ~$200 per unit/package?
Nope, $200 might be the BOM for a top mid range to an entry high-end phone...
820 might cost $60
Here's an old BOM for an old phone lumia 900 which has a single core soc with separate modem, both cost $55, while Galaxy S2 dual core and a modem both cost $64.. and that was a high end SoC at its times...
https://technology.ihs.com/40[....]rries-bill-of-materials-of-209
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Posted: 2016-07-24 23:24:31
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http://www.njuskalo.hr/sony-x[....]tavljen-zamjena-oglas-19740280
Our mystery device which looks smaller than the original leaks. Quite handsome actually.
[ This Message was edited by: badassmam on 2016-07-25 12:49 ]
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Posted: 2016-07-25 13:48:16
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