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Film will never get old.. Outdated but not old..

Nikon still offers a film camera that is still in production.. I've been aiming at one since a while now, but lack of time and space is holding me back for now...

Another modern "classic" I am aiming at and think it is a must have is of course a Leica rangefinder.. But maybe will never afford one.. 9 thousands isn't sky rocket price by itself, but shelling this amount for specialty camera useful in a very specific way is way much high a price to pay..

I would rather shell 3k more and get a complete full frame professional Nikon setup with lenses covering all focal lengths except for super tele.. At 20k one would be fully covered with primes and zooms for literally all focal lengths..

Film processing simply requires more passion and devotion than developing RAWs through Lightroom (which is today's digital dark room)..
Despite film is much limiting and limited compared to digital it will always be around.

Btw, at colleges they still teach photography students how shoot to and process film..


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Posted: 2013-10-21 20:56:06
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Whether you are fake or misinformed. Though it doesn't make a lot of a difference at the end. Same resulting BS, just knowing whether you plotted it all or you truly believing it.



Hitting every forum out there with the same propaganda.. Which proves my point above really..

Btw owning a 2006 entry level DSLR and comparing it to a 2011 compact for IQ is like comparing Pentium IV with the new iPad..

The sensor technology has moved way ahead from the 400D times. Same size, way smaller microns due to higher pixel count, way better quality and performance. Not to mention other things of course.. Low optics though not outdated.. AF system, flash sync, continuous shooting, viewfinder, magnification..
Not all of these are directly related to IQ, but they do affect the user trying to max IQ out of the camera..

Now go ahead and show us more tests..
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Posted: 2013-10-21 21:30:01
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false_morel......Would like to see done by your photo you can show me some good pictures ?

Please here on this forum! or at my e-mail
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Posted: 2013-10-21 21:53:21
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With good glass the XTI will still outperform the 808 in most cases.. the point was that the 808 gets close enough in certain conditions which is amazing, and it makes carrying a separate DSR for an amateur photographer kind of an overkill.

Here it is against a Nikon D800

http://sdrv.ms/17F0Hjr

Full sized and downscaled to 8mpix using lanczos



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Posted: 2013-10-21 22:03:44
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What lens was screwed to the Nikon because terrible soap along the edges of the frame.
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Posted: 2013-10-21 22:22:38
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You mean from a cameraphone or a DSLR?

I can upload a DSLR photo on here.. I will have to remove all the private info and upload to somewhere other than Smugmug..
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Posted: 2013-10-21 22:39:48
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It can be the SLR and the smartphone. Do you want to remove the metadata? If you need to OK!
Post your pictures you want, I'm curious about your photos
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Posted: 2013-10-21 23:00:21
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I can't tell how the 400D will exactly perform with a good glass. But one thing I'm certain of is that its sensor technology is pretty outdated in 2013. Or even in 2011! Despite that it is a CMOS, APS-C, and with decent micron size..



Exif shows Gimp as the used software.. Or at least the last used software to touch the photo.
Also it states that the originals were modified today. Not an issue though. Some software leave their marks even if just used to open and view the image.

The lens 17-35 F/2.8D was used, which comes behind many current lenses for the D800.
For that focal lens, the 14-24 would have delivered more than 50% the sharpness, and overall a significantly better quality.
Same thing for the 24-70 though the focal length of 22mm used would have been pushed a little. But the 808 has equivalent of 26 anyway. Don't know why 22mm was used.

The lens 16-35G would have done significantly better as well.

Not to mention the primes (808 has a prime lens after all), these would have been still a league ahead in terms of IQ compared to the zoom lenses mentioned above.

Then the D800 was used at ISO 400 while the 808 at ISO 64. Pretty weird for both!
ISO 64 is not a native ISO for the 808. I don't know why Nokia tends to use it that much on the phone! ISO 50 would have its benefits in certain situations where the SS wanted to be a slower. Otherwise it comes at a cost of degrading the quality and the DR. And why the heck use ISO 400 in such a condition on the D800?!

Having said that, the D800 at 8 MP is still ahead in that comparison by a big lead. Notice all the softness of the 808's image at the very center of the image on the rocks! Compared to the D800n it looks all blurry.
At full res the difference becomes even bigger of course. And this is a close range perfect lighting condition.

Even staying at same lighting conditions, but shooting a wide and far landscape, the difference would have been even bigger.
Going into any other scenario the difference in IQ would have been too vast to even talk about. Especially for instance about color bit depth for skin tone on portraits..
Then comes bokeh quality (808 doesn't even have bokeh to begin with) and other things.. These are all part of IQ not just sharpness, noise, and detail.

But this comparison is meaningless anyway. Two difference cameras for completely two different usages. And for completely different audience. A cameraphone is being compared to the best rated full frame DSLR sensor in the market at the moment. Even if not with the best glass available for the D800..

As a reminder to why this was brought up in the first place:
We were debating whether a cameraphone could be better than the other only based on IQ.
And the answer is no. Although the 808 is not ahead of the 1020 in IQ under all conditions. It's more like 50-50 depending on the scene..

But where the 1020 pulls ahead is the parts beyond IQ. What a photographer is enabled to do with the camera. Exposure parameters, and other features that allow certain things to be done. Am not gonna repeat the same points again.

But it is similar to what a DSLR for instance offer compared to a compact, and in turn what compact offer compared to a cameraphone, even a low end.

I didn't get my DSLR because of image quality. Under some conditions even a mid range compact could achieve enough satisfying result at a much lower price and less hassle.

It's about the things that allows more room for creativity and user control over the camera..
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Posted: 2013-10-21 23:17:29
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I will what is there to share over here.
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Posted: 2013-10-21 23:23:25
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I will find something to share..
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Posted: 2013-10-21 23:40:03
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