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i like SE but personally aside from the BT, Playstation, and the other weird toys and techs that SOny and SE made, i personally think they're not innovative, it's a matter of combining technologies into one and making it look good, or imitate other techs and improving it, just like the 1megapixel race in which 7610 was first but in the end, SE came about with the s700- which was good and better;- nothing new but way more enticing. Sometimes you expect so much from SE-- but here's what's the real score... SE had it been a car manufacturer, it would've been Toyota and other econo brands, which aims to place a 1- 2liter engine and intorduce new technology to reduce gas price and the car price it self. Had this been another metaphor thread, then SE, based on your desires, would become more like Prosche, Ferrari or Koeniggsegg- companies which place newer,hotter design paired with INNOVATIONS which would enable the car's price to sky rocket as well as the gas consumptin too... YOu don't need SE to create more high tech and innovative fones, instead tell those peeps to create a subsidiary co. aside from SE and a NEW, INNOVATIVE, more EXPENSIVE fones the least. Just make sure you'd buy them.
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Posted: 2005-04-27 14:44:27
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@Yazan24 I thought we were done here, but noo you want to continue posting, have the last word and then lock the thread ..
I'm not getting personal in this post, don't make me go personal on the next though.
and if you want to reply to my post don't type "him" type "S4k1s".
N7250 and T610 are not in same league, I posted the specs for you. Was 7250 released b4 T610?
When you put a Bluetooth chip in a phone it's just a implementation, even if you invented it.
16 color screen didn't open up endless possibilities.
The first pixel screen did, even though it was monocrome.
Quote:Innovation is in the eye of the beholder. This is especially the case with many SE diehard fans, but I was just trying to point out that Ericsson devices were more revolutionary than those provided by SE.
I'm not a SE diehard fan. And this is not a thread about Ericsson Vs. SE.
Quote:P-Series is based on Ericsson.
Your point is? P-Series is part Ericsson part Sony.
Sure Prototype was made by Ericsson, but it was never released as a product. You can se the phone in first Tomb Rider movie. I developed programs for it in Kista, yes I worked for Ericsson. So don't try to lecture me.
That phone and P-series is not the same, it changed a lot in the hands of the SE people == new product
Who are you to say Sony didn't have a similar product and they just combined them together?
Quote:The Menu's SE provided, are not their own, theyre based on the T68m which Ericsson made. Actually menus in SE phones are not made by SE. They are made by Ericsson Mobile Platforms, 100% Ericsson owned company.
Quote:The W800, isnt innovative because its just a small upgrade from the K750i, as someone pointed out, its innovative marketing skills, but its really not since this approach has been taken by Nokia and other manufacturers for a while now.
You are wrong. Just like 16 colors opened "endless possibilities" in your eyes, 2MP can open "endless possibilities" for other people. Now people can use the phone as a real digital camera. Just think of the endless possibilities u have with a 2MP camera phone.
Quote:I also want to be clear that in my definition of innovative technology, I dont mean combining several existing features into one handset, I mean introducing an entirely new technology, or implementing an old technology in a totally new field which opens up endless possibilities. I can tell you that you didn't clear it up a bit here... you just keep bluring your definition
You say two different things here. You can't eat the cake and still have it left .. Either it is innovative to combine technologies or it's not.
NOTHiNG opens up "endless possibilities". Not even BT.
So you say size don't matter? K600is still the smallest 3G camera phone. N70 is the smalles 2MP 3G phone cuz it's the first 3G 2MP phone. (correct me if I'm wrong here) To make small packed phones u need Innovative solutions.
And final thought here ... as I told you b4, use same level of judgement when you judge all companies. Small things can be innovative. 16 color screens didn't change the life of mankind neither did BT ... nor did they open up endeless possibilities
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Posted: 2005-04-27 15:54:21
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btw off topic .. speaking of Nokia .. they release 3 new phones today N90, N91 and N70 .. looks good ... SE really need to be Innovative and counter them now
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Posted: 2005-04-27 15:58:26
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Yazan24.
You seem like the guy who likes to stir up trouble, have the last word etc. well we're not having it.
you have been proven wrong my friend
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Posted: 2005-04-27 16:38:27
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Scots:
The use of memory sticks, in general was used in handsets, at that point, SONY was innovative, and the invention of bluetooth ERICSSON was innovative, but I dont quite see the innovation with them combined.
Thats my logic.
That also answers your question Vivek, they released innovative technology before, and are yet to do it.
I believe that its because theyre still a new company, and they will probably surprise us in the future.
I think theyre not really trying, because theyre in a very bad position, they barely survive, and its not really a profitable venture for sony, so theres no room for spending millions for long term projects, they first need to get a steady reputation and a constant income.
Once they stand steady on their feet, I think we'll be seeing amazing things from them.
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Posted: 2005-04-27 17:09:42
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On 2005-04-27 17:09:42, Yazan24 wrote:
Scots:
The use of memory sticks, in general was used in handsets, at that point, SONY was innovative, and the invention of bluetooth ERICSSON was innovative, but I dont quite see the innovation with them combined.
Thats my logic.
Yet you say that you believe existing technology used in new ways is also innovative or are you going back on that statement now?
The changing of memorystick usage to memorystick duo usage would seem to fit the statement you made about existing technology being used in a new way. That change occurred in SE handsets, not Sony or Ericsson handsets.
The combination of Bluetooth and memorystick support into a handset would seem to suggest a new application of exisiting technologies i.e. combining them both in the one device, which again would fit the statement you made previously.
What exactly is your point in all this? As far as I can see you don't actually have one other than to start a deliberately controversial thread in the hopes of generating attention.
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Posted: 2005-04-27 17:25:03
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On 2005-04-27 17:09:42, Yazan24 wrote:
Once they stand steady on their feet, I think we'll be seeing amazing things from them.
now thats a good way of putting it...
the problem was that u were too negative about se all togehter...as if they had no hope to be innovative..
thats y everyone was so aggravated in the thread...
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Posted: 2005-04-27 17:28:41
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Yazan!
you think you know the ins and outs of Sony Ericsson and it's profits!
How do you know!
If you look at the quarter results, after being a company for a mere 4 years they are doing well.
They are supported by many networks and shops and they ARE innovative.
You dont have to invent something to be innovative, if you actually read the dictionary you will find what it means!
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Posted: 2005-04-27 17:37:48
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Scots:-
Im not going back on my statement, let me clarify what I meant, I mean putting existing technology (which are not usually in handsets) into handsets are innovative, by technology, I dont mean to go as precise as memory sticks, lets call it expandable removable memory, and it was already done by Sony, and the camera feature, putting a camera in a phone was innovative, going to megapixels was slightly innovative, then increasing megapixels less or not innovative.
Vanquish: -
Theyre not doing well, in comparison to other PURELY communication companies theyre doing horribly.
If you notice there isnt a general increase in profits with trend, they break even, and make little profits, you have to realize that although the profits may seem high, for such a venture and the cost of the actual venture, its not that profitable when looking at alternatives for both companies.
Of course some may argue since ericsson were on the brink of going out, they dont have that many alternatives, but sony does.
So theyre not doing that well as a venture.
Vivek: -
Thanks, I just didnt put it well in the beginning, By saying SE have never been innovative, I didnt mean it wont in the future, its still a new company, and still has plenty up its sleeve Im sure.
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Posted: 2005-04-27 17:53:09
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There is a thread somewhere on here containing a link to an independent survey on CEO s and Managers whereby
was voted very high in the list of "Top 100 most innovative companies.". It was recent and they came in at No 11 or No 2 or thereabouts. Someone post the link. . . .
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Posted: 2005-04-27 17:59:00
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