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In regards to your upgrades:
- Auto rotate of screen
novelty item, has any real use?
- BestPic speed selection
moderately useful, but nothing breathtaking. What is more exciting is the fact that the user can select ISO speeds...
- 5 MP camera
marginal bumpup from 3.2 I doubt low light photos will be that much better...will have to see true samples to see, especially the difference between IMX-18 and IMX-20
- Camera mode switch (switch between camera, video and play modes)
novelty for mass-market advertising...
- Camera scene modes with examples
examples? HAH, who cares
- OMA DRM 2.0
if you use file manager to load mp3 files (which is the most effecient and logical way to do it) this feature means nothing...
- BT available in flight mode
cool, if you have BT headphones on flight...
- TrackID
For radio? Most radio stations have their own tracklisting...not super useful imo
- Direct search to internet and enter address
explain?
- Java Platform 8
good
- Media Center
the verdict is still out on this. Not sure if its super intuitive, or exceptional...but it seems to be a definitie bump up from the archaic media manager on 800/790
- 2-in-1 card reader (M2+microSD)
Cool and could be useful if the memory war shifts in one direction... Not super breathtaking though?
- Music Player 3.0
see media player
- Music Player effects
about time?
- 3G/HSDPA (850/1900/2100) + GSM/GPRS/EDGE (850/900/1900)
great
- Photo Fix
useless, can be done on computer far more proficiently
- Smart search
explain?
- Video blogging
meh
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Basically what I'm saying is tha tmost of these upgrades are little facelift things, rather than anything starkly warranting a "breakthrough" tag. But here are the other things that I believe have NOT been addressed:
-Same Xenon flash burst strength, which I found weak in vairous low light situations. For example, when in a club, I could never get a solid picture beyond a small ~7 food distance...Couldn't snap picks of DJs or serious ambiance due to the weakness of the burst.
-Call Volume: Was pathetically low in the 790a, and by Eldar's review, it still is quite weak. Terrible for a phone which is supposed to be night (noise) friendly
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Does all of this warrant a 600 dollar phone? No. Especially if you already have the 790a/800i, especially when the n95 will be hovering around there... Again, the success of the phone will come down to pricing, if it dips into the 3s/low 4s SOON.
But then, it will probably be a dime a dozen, especially if it gets picked up by a provider, not something I want in my unlocked flagship phone.
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Posted: 2007-08-02 03:59:00
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On 2007-08-01 20:46:26, Sobo wrote:
Brief list of differences between A200 and A100
We are not going to go through all difference and rather focus on the main points:
* Phonebook – 5000 entries and 35000 phone numbers, two new fields for mobile numbers;
Unsure how much more improvement can go here as I consider this area perfect in the K790.
* Smart Search – search for phone numbers with first letters or digits;
* Media – revamped view based on tags and date;Big improvement especially for music, video, photos; considering the big move of OS X/Vista for searching MetaData
* Exchange ActiveSync – support for this standard enables data transfers between the K850i and corporate services with only a handful of settings;Not worth it really. If you work in a corporation and need access to email, then Blackberry's are king followed by other BBCOnnect devices - Symbian & MS Mobile units. Thus waste of development $$
* Message classification, ability to store all or only selected messages on the memory card;SWEET! We've ALL been waiting for this!
* NetFront 3.4 browser, in-browser flash support;no biggy unless the bookmarks can be accessed/shared by other java xhtml apps - Opera Mini.
* Shortcuts to own applications;not sure I understand this but seems nice[b]
* Walkman 3.0 provides core player functionality;
* Photos can have custom tags;
* Slow-motion video playback mode;
* X-Pict Story – slide-show mode;
* Support for up to 32 Gb memory cards;
* RSS – offline mode, ticker in standby mode;[b]This ability alone sounds very familiar like the Motorola Z8's UIQ3.1 OS
2GB works 4 me.
Fa-ward!
On 2007-08-01 23:54:42, Arne Anka wrote:
Anyway K850i is worth almost nothing, brings only UI improvements which i find bad and too much nokia-alike.
The white paper lists some more changes than just "UI improvements" compared to K800 (few of them can be found in K810 as well I think).
http://developer.sonyericsson[....]ls/phonespecs/p_phonespecs.jsp
- Auto rotate of screen
Hoping this is OS based not application based. I.E. I want to Rotate Opera Mini 4 Beta wide screen surfing
- BestPic speed selection
INdeed I want to quickly save 6/9 photos and ready to take my next shot. Would be nice for them to add a Save ALL function for BEST SHOT
- 5 MP camera
would it hurt SE/Sony to source the CMOS sensor from an actual Cybershot phone?! sure all the features would not be there but would be nice to share some chipsets
- Camera mode switch (switch between camera, video and play modes)
I have NO CLUE how this is relevant?! Play mode? What am I playing slideshow, movies taken only by the camera?
- Camera scene modes with examples
- OMA DRM 2.0
Hurst, this is for encrypted files downloaded from providers or music purchased sites - support for these files. Or Vista's/URGE service
- BT available in flight mode
Bring it ON!just make BT class 1 already pure strong BT!
- TrackID
Again Hurst this is recording ANY music - Jazz festival artists? then send for what the track is
- Direct search to internet and enter address
- Java Platform 8
Everyone complaining about the OS becoming like Nokia's S40; well JP-8 is their implementation research.
- Media Center
- 2-in-1 card reader (M2+microSD)
Perfect. Memory wars begin; cheaper for the consumer
- Music Player 3.0
- Music Player effects
- 3G/HSDPA (850/1900/2100) + GSM/GPRS/EDGE (850/900/1900)
Pure tethering fun! Been dreaming of this for TOO long
- Photo Fix
Perfect! Hurst doesn't realize how IN-Efficient waiting for a PC to bootup, launch photoshop, transfer a photo to the PC import a copy of the photo, adding gaussian blurr's, and other effects however minimal JUST to slightly brighten a photo/ fix a photo is. I use Photoshop WHEN I use a REAL camera, not cam-phone pics. If I'm venturing to do so then the pic NEEDS to have effort & time to work with; maybe joining more than 1 photo into 1whole pic.
- Smart search
- Video blogging
Oh yeah! wait till world cup sneak ins to the press room photos or players duking it out from other sports or those 2 hot chicks from highschool/College class making out in that secluded room. Who KNEW they where a hot item 
!Oh yeah video blogging will be nice. Home personal movies 4 ppl on K850's recording just 1 scene think of the upcoming movie with Dennis Quad Point of View
[ This Message was edited by: Arne Anka on 2007-08-01 23:05 ]
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Posted: 2007-08-02 08:30:08
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On 2007-08-01 23:54:42, Arne Anka wrote:
Anyway K850i is worth almost nothing, brings only UI improvements which i find bad and too much nokia-alike.
The white paper lists some more changes than just "UI improvements" compared to K800 (few of them can be found in K810 as well I think).
http://developer.sonyericsson[....]ls/phonespecs/p_phonespecs.jsp
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- 3G/HSDPA (850/1900/2100) + GSM/GPRS/EDGE (850/900/1900)
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Just a small remark, you forgot GSM 1800.
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Posted: 2007-08-02 09:26:18
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On 2007-08-01 23:54:42, Arne Anka wrote:
Anyway K850i is worth almost nothing, brings only UI improvements which i find bad and too much nokia-alike.
The white paper lists some more changes than just "UI improvements" compared to K800 (few of them can be found in K810 as well I think).
http://developer.sonyericsson[....]ls/phonespecs/p_phonespecs.jsp
- Auto rotate of screen
- BestPic speed selection
- 5 MP camera
- Camera mode switch (switch between camera, video and play modes)
- Camera scene modes with examples
- OMA DRM 2.0
- BT available in flight mode
- TrackID
- Direct search to internet and enter address
- Java Platform 8
- Media Center
- 2-in-1 card reader (M2+microSD)
- Music Player 3.0
- Music Player effects
- 3G/HSDPA (850/1900/2100) + GSM/GPRS/EDGE (850/900/1900)
- Photo Fix
- Smart search
- Video blogging
Sobo has also listed some more differences and there is pobably even more changes than that under the hood I would guess. Summing up everything it seems the difference is bigger than one may think (its not just the look).
[ This Message was edited by: Arne Anka on 2007-08-01 23:05 ]
Ok so this brings new UI, let's see now what it takes AWAY.
-No camera cover anymore, You have to press button to activate(kinda lame, not really cyber-shot)
-Buttons above the screen no longer exist, were really usefull to me.
-Joystick changed to awkward PAD
-No irda
-Play/pause button no longer exist(a HUGE step behind for me, without that button media player 3 will have no sense)
-Back button removed, now we have archaic red/green call buttons.
-New battery cover, i wonder how will You check the IMEI now when phone is not working?
-Scratch catching casing.
It's not a step forward, it is not what K850i was expected to be? This specs are ok for K810i or K830i but come on not for K850i...
- Photo Fix Perfect! Hurst doesn't realize how IN-Efficient waiting for a PC to bootup, launch photoshop, transfer a photo to the PC import a copy of the photo, adding gaussian blurr's, and other effects however minimal JUST to slightly brighten a photo/ fix a photo is. I use Photoshop WHEN I use a REAL camera, not cam-phone pics. If I'm venturing to do so then the pic NEEDS to have effort & time to work with; maybe joining more than 1 photo into 1whole pic.
Wake up, Photo Fix already exist in k800i, it's just called diffrent way, "PhotoDJ". But it's the same application, You can compare it with pics in Eldar review
Well just saw the review again, actually the Photo fix is also called PhotoDJ in k850i
[ This Message was edited by: admad on 2007-08-02 09:06 ]
[ This Message was edited by: admad on 2007-08-02 09:09 ]
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Posted: 2007-08-02 10:00:10
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@ Hurst
How many megapixels do you then want? ten or what? remember its just a phone
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Posted: 2007-08-02 10:00:51
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On 2007-08-02 03:59:00, Hurst wrote:
- TrackID
For radio? Most radio stations have their own tracklisting...not super useful imo
You need to do a bit more research, plus no-one is really forcing you to buy the phone are they?
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Posted: 2007-08-02 10:22:52
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@admad
irda is old
back button it's one of the soft keys,the first one from right.
the new battery cover it's more solid(some parts made of steel).
Scratch catching casing.Were do you keep the phone ?i put my phone in a pocket that's empty,not with keys or anything else that can scratch the screen.
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Posted: 2007-08-02 10:42:48
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in Eldar's latest review he pointed to
TV shows for models equipped with DVB-H receiver;
is any body here has any idea what Eldar is talking about !!
- will there be special versions with DVB-H reciever ?
- will be there's a new accessory that have DVB-H cabilities just like that GPS headphone ?
- ot it's just preparing for the K850i successor wich Eldar point in the same review, if true, why they enabled the menu in K850i when it will not DVB-H support in hardware !!
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Posted: 2007-08-02 11:50:09
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IMHO the biggest drawback of K850 is the elimination of play/pause button.
I just can't understand why, It is just no technological novelty so that they would want to restrict the button only to their walkman phones, Specially now that the 2 previous models (K750/K800) both had the button.
REAL shame on SE, K850 will be their flagship for at least a year....
Maybe motorola's V3/V3i/V3x..... story will happen for SE in near future.
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Posted: 2007-08-02 14:07:06
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On 2007-08-02 10:00:51, k850 successor wrote:
@ Hurst
How many megapixels do you then want? ten or what? remember its just a phone
The same 3.2 megapixels with a powerful xenon flash, ccd chip and much larger sensor size would be more than adequate for me. Of course, that doesn't really equate well into marketing considerations, but it does wonders for photo quality...
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Posted: 2007-08-02 19:50:28
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