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On 2008-08-02 15:54:57, QVGA wrote:
Sorry that was a typo. I meant Sony makes hopeless small lens, not SE.
And Sony 'does' make pretty poor lens for their cybershot cameras.
I still don't see why you're complaining. The latest batch of pictures taken with the C905 have no purple fringing whatsoever. Oh, and must i remind you that the lens is made of mineral glass?
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Posted: 2008-08-02 16:03:51
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@micks:
regarding the most criticized shortcomings of C905 - the video recording maybe SE could address this by incorporating an nvidia goforce 5300 chip inside. the chip itself was produced long ago so i think the price will be easy to SE's R&D budget

just imagine how much improvement will this chip bring to C905 one it's implemented:
-much better audio (5300 has audio DSP)
-much better video (5300 has video DSP as well)
-much better games ( the capuchin based java games will further took advantage of the nvidia GPU:) )
-much better image post processing (5300 's ISP supports up to 10mpixel resolution)
-better battery life since those things above will not be handled by the main cpu.
having known from you that SE have and will implement a sony camera module for C905 and the next production batch of c902 which is hardware level of upgrade then we can at least hope SE will listen on this nvidia thingy as well. anyway this nvidia thingy had set SE's video recording quality far ahead from nokia back in the days of W900's reign. what do you think?
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Posted: 2008-08-02 16:03:58
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On 2008-08-02 16:03:51, NightBlade wrote:
On 2008-08-02 15:54:57, QVGA wrote:
Sorry that was a typo. I meant Sony makes hopeless small lens, not SE.
And Sony 'does' make pretty poor lens for their cybershot cameras.
I still don't see why you're complaining. The latest batch of pictures taken with the C905 have no purple fringing whatsoever. Oh, and must i remind you that the lens is made of mineral glass?
what difference does mineral glass make? have previous phones from other manufacturers and from SE suffered due to lack of mineral glass?
and see the pics of i8510 on gsmarena and compare them to C905
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Posted: 2008-08-02 16:07:33
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On 2008-08-02 15:54:57, QVGA wrote:
On 2008-08-02 13:11:28, NightBlade wrote:
On 2008-08-02 13:03:41, QVGA wrote:
If it uses samsung sensor, then its good for SE as the i8510 produces stunning photos. SE makes the most hopeless small sized lens as is evident from their cyber shot cameras and previous SE phones
And which are those? The K800? the K810? the C902?
I also disagree with you on your first statement. How do you know for sure?
Sorry that was a typo. I meant Sony makes hopeless small lens, not SE.
And Sony 'does' make pretty poor lens for their cybershot cameras.
well that's true with their H and T series (purple fringing). but taking a look at their mid and high end W-series (especially the new ones like W120 up to W300). the quality is almost the similar when compared with canon ixuses - anyway they only differ in optics(canon using of course their proprietaty lens and sony with their carl-zeiss), ccd sensors were both made by Sony itself
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Posted: 2008-08-02 16:11:42
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@ razec ...
Kool with regards to the nvidia goforce 5300 chip, I know they are dedicated graphics card and all... as well Sony Ericsson did use them for the W900 but I guess they found nvidia expensive or something like that, or perhaps they again would use them at a later time in there fones.
But that is mere speculation by me, and when they did use them, they left there competition behind and to catch up Nokia went and brought out VGA otherwise W900 was the it fone and a very good one for taking videos.
So who knows but I agree with you totally and hopefully we might see something in the near future, as SE is working on a video-centric fone or they might incorporate it into one of there existing fone line-up. Hence this had been discussed also way before but I think next yr when the portfolio is sharpened and SE would be releasing 14 fones less just like the good old days for SE we might and shall see something promising in the video department as well.
Cheers to you ...
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Posted: 2008-08-02 16:45:43
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On 2008-08-02 14:56:44, Muhammad-Oli wrote:
On 2008-08-01 17:29:38, Dogmann wrote:
@NighBlade
As far as your PM with a link to Muhammad-Oli's post and your post of
"I am as well looking forward to your apology."
Well please hold your breath for it as it will be a cold day in hell before it comes as I'm owed far more apologies from your insults then my stating the truth. How about apologising to Eldar for calling him an idiot when you know full well he doesn't visit here and is far from being an idiot? He knows and has forgotten more about mobiles than you will ever know and that's a fact.
@Muhammad-Oli
Now that's strange you don't like being insulted but don't mind calling Eldar an idiot? Oh i see don't do as you do do as you say. You will also be waiting a long time for an apology that will never come.
@Micks2005
If you could read properly you would of noticed i said nothing at all about the C905 good or bad but was taking to task two clowns who feel they have the right to call Eldar an idiot. So what facts do i need to get right and your name most probably suits you to as i would imagine you have the mickey taken at least 2005 times a day for your superior intelligence NOT.
@Bambino
I don't but that doesn't make him an idiot or give those two clowns the right to call him one does it?
Just what evidence do you have that i hate SE or i suppose your just another one that sees any criticism of SE means that person must hate SE or do you just believe all the other rubbish people claim?
@Carkitter
Well by now i really expect no less from you and your warped perception of reality.
@all
As for the C905 I'll judge it when it is released on how it performs not on a misguided ideal that because it's from SE it will just be the best. Just look at what happened with those thoughts and the K850 and how badly that worked out. Which lets face it is what any normal sensible person that isn't in love with SE would do.
Marc
Hi Marc!
Well aren't we in a shitty mood? I wonder how you get through your days being so up tight all the time. Must be real hell. No wonder so many people wish you'd stay out of things, with your surly attitude.
I will call Eldar an idiot all I like, thank you very much. You see, the difference is that Eldar has truly been acting like an idiot lately. His judgment is way off and we have good proof of it. So I have all reason to say so. But, you called me stupid, when I and many members here know full well that I am not stupid. So I will expect an apology. Whether I get that apology depends on your ability to see past the rose-tinted glasses Eldar gave you.
See people call George Bush an idiot because he has done some very stupid things. He deserved to be called that, otherwise he'd never learn what he'd done wrong. I called Eldar an idiot for the same reason. Eldar needs to know that what he is doing is not on. That he can't go talking crap about a company over his personal conflicts when so many people like you will believe and praise his every word.
You and Eldar show the same kind of attitude to be honest. Judgment without thought, and without weighing up true facts. I noticed you have no reply to my argument. Its a shame really that our "greatest debater" gave up so easily.
u just cant accept the fact that SE has announced some shitty fone except for c905 and x1.
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Posted: 2008-08-02 16:46:23
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On 2008-08-02 16:45:43, micks2005 wrote:
@ razec ...
So who knows but I agree with you totally and hopefully we might see something in the near future, as SE is working on a video-centric fone or they might incorporate it into one of there existing fone line-up. Hence this had been discussed also way before but I think next yr when the portfolio is sharpened and SE would be releasing 14 fones less just like the good old days for SE we might and shall see something promising in the video department as well.
Cheers to you ...
So once komiyama-san had finished cleaning up the mess of flooding similar SE products developed under mr. flint then we could see a ground breaking come back of the good old days of

i certainly hope for that
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Posted: 2008-08-02 17:07:44
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Reviews
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i8510_innov8-review-269.php
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_c905_8mp-review-258p3.php
http://smape.com/reviews/sony[....]ny_Ericsson_C905_cam-prev.html
Photos taken by i8510



Photos taken by C905



I think camera matrix in C905 same as i8510 ....only matrix!!!!!! Photos from twin phones have little diffrents as compression and picselisation
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Posted: 2008-08-02 17:44:05
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At smape´s the claim that the C905 will hit the shelves in october. And here i read somewhere that it will arrive by the end of this month. What´s the deal?
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Posted: 2008-08-02 18:22:46
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i dont know about you guys, but i cant stand Big, bulky, heavy cell phones. (like N95, C905, Samsung 8510, etc).
i think this BIG size have lost the whole idea with cell phones. they starts to looks more like old GMT phones or digi cameras.
just think about to have this bricks in your pants...(thats a No for me)
just hope

moves on with their slimmed phones in the future (so you at least have the opition to choose between bulky or slimm)

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[ This Message was edited by: plankgatan on 2008-08-02 18:30 ]
[ This Message was edited by: plankgatan on 2008-08-02 18:40 ]
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