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Pop-Lover,
we want to see Hecaro!
Tobi
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[ This Message was edited by: tob!s on 2008-06-22 10:51 ]
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Posted: 2008-06-22 11:50:29
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And just when I thought we could have nice discussions in this thread without the annoying and dumb "I WANT PICS!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111omgz0rz!" posts...
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Posted: 2008-06-22 11:57:29
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Tigershark42 Posts: > 500
Well, to put it all into some sort of perspective, what do we mean when we say 'Iphone killer'? My interpretation would be 'something thats better or preferable to the apple iphone'. But how so?
If we talk specs, P990 is already an iphone killer. N95 definately is.
If we talk about screens arguably X1 or HTC Touch Diamond may be preferable (not on paper, but which one really is nicer to look at in real life).
If we talk about aesthetics, SE have been thrashing apple all the way. To me SE usually have a fantastic range of designs complementing the nature of the product itself. To me, the iphone is far underdesigned to be a smartphone. I appreciate the design without buttons but to me, as a phone it is not nice to look at. Switch the screen off and the whole phone turns a beige colour lol!
So I think what people really mean when they say 'iphone killer' is that they want whatever specs they want from their device, but they want a pretty UI also with focus on 'ease of use' ( I wouldnt rate the iphone highly for useability myself, but anyway).
But this all comes down to my point- just because people say they want an 'iphone killer' doesnt mean they want it to look or seem exactly like one.
Like the above example with the X1. Ive seen it many times before, you could give 2, 5, 10, 20, 100 different companies the same specification of a product and a description of what you want it to be like, tell them to go away and design it, and by and large, they will all come back with something different. So it will be interesting to see how the other companies on the market react to this and make their own iterations of this device.
The problem with the iphone is that it is so unique, it has polarised a large number of people into belonging to a whole new market with very different expectations from a handset. Since manufacturers are all in competition, the others have no choice but to try and tap into that portion of the market in some way. Now this is where copying comes in. And when it does, you tend to see which companies are really innovative and which are just one big flop *cough cough n*kia tube cough*.
I suppose SE have taken their own direction, as they always do. They have learned a few little lessons from seeing the iphone, and have used a bit of that knowledge to tap into a different market. That market is the windows mobile market. If that isnt marketing genius, I dont know what is. Just when everyone releasing alike devices is being called and 'branded' as iclones, SE find a bigger and stronger new market to attract and strengthen and the X1 is evidence of stunning progress.
But anyway, we want to see what comes along with UIQ, for now. We can see lessons learnt from the iphones touch UI, but SE have been more careful to tiptoe around too much likeness, and have done it in their own style, so like a great singer, they have taken someone elses work and made it their own. We just wait for more evidence of great progress in the UIQ area now. G900 came, it was pretty good. The next to come should therefore be excellent (I suppose this where people had their gripes with Paris and Beibei- to me as a person wanting to buy a phone, I liked Paris very much- but clearly not everyone shared the same opinion).
[ This Message was edited by: Tigershark42 on 2008-06-22 11:08 ]
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Posted: 2008-06-22 12:00:53
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Well said Tigershark. Btw, I liked the Paris a lot too...
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Posted: 2008-06-22 12:04:34
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Well I'm not sure people will be picking up the X1 in one hand, the iPhone in the other and thinking which one will I go for? There will be a major difference in price for a start. I think SE need to leave out a few features to allow a PAYG "iPhone Killer" to compete on price. It could run on WM or UIQ or A200 for all I care. It would just have to be priced below the X1 like the M600 sits below the P1i. I think SE could do a better iPhone than Apple, lets just hope Nokia don't do it first.
@Xell
It's ok, I'm just throwing about some ideas I've been thinking of, not spoiling for a fight!
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Posted: 2008-06-22 13:58:32
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But Nokia will announce the 5800 Xpress Music soon, the iPhone Killer?
Tobi
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Posted: 2008-06-22 14:38:11
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On 2008-06-22 14:38:11, tob!s wrote:
But Nokia will announce the 5800 Xpress Music soon, the iPhone Killer?
Hardly.
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Posted: 2008-06-22 14:43:38
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well atleast we know what nokia's new high end touch phone looks like... unlike in the case of
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Posted: 2008-06-22 15:30:03
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On 2008-06-22 12:00:53, Tigershark42 wrote:
...I liked Paris very much- but clearly not everyone shared the same opinion).
Actually we do not have enough information to like or dislike Paris. If we believe some rumors that it is based on old technology, there is not much to like. I suspect this may be true simply because SE has cancelled it. However, it did have distinct disadvanteges such as a smaller screen and ofcourse a qwerty keyboard.
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Posted: 2008-06-22 16:34:35
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On 2008-06-22 16:34:35, makbil wrote:
On 2008-06-22 12:00:53, Tigershark42 wrote:
...I liked Paris very much- but clearly not everyone shared the same opinion).
Actually we do not have enough information to like or dislike Paris. If we believe some rumors that it is based on old technology, there is not much to like. I suspect this may be true simply because SE has cancelled it. However, it did have distinct disadvanteges such as a smaller screen and ofcourse a qwerty keyboard.
Cancellation can happen due to many different reasons.
It's absolutely doubtful that SE has worked for a year on weak specs and just now, in the last moment realized the "mistake". That's impossible.
Believe me, that's not that case.
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Posted: 2008-06-22 17:15:06
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