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On 2008-03-22 16:06:50, Dogmann wrote:
@askd
Also agreed here that processors speeds count for very little and in fact this supports my point WM uses higher processors speeds than Symbian devices need to achieve a better level of performance. That is what i meant by WM being ore processor intensive it needs a faster processor and still doesn't achieve as good a performance.
Yes, agreed, but as long as you don't measure the processor by MHz, but instead measure it by number of instructions per second, which is a more accurate indicator of processor speed.
Processor number of cycles per second is largely transparent to the OS, it's how much work that processer can handle in any given period.
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Posted: 2008-03-22 17:30:11
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On 2008-03-22 17:30:11, max_wedge wrote:
Yes, agreed, but as long as you don't measure the processor by MHz, but instead measure it by number of instructions per second, which is a more accurate indicator of processor speed.
Processor number of cycles per second is largely transparent to the OS, it's how much work that processer can handle in any given period.
Perfect
, and this can be done on cross platform if we have a cross platform benchmark to run the CPU thorugh its paces, I dont believe there is one at the moment though is there? JBenchmark is highly inaccurate as per my findings as the JVM interferes with the results.
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Posted: 2008-03-22 17:56:24
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Whats the latest on release date? When can we expect the first handsets to be sent to reviewers?
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Posted: 2008-03-22 18:24:00
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The earliest I've heard is August, but personally I feel September-October is more like it. Reviewers getting it would depend on when Microsoft decides to announce WM6.1.
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Posted: 2008-03-22 19:01:35
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I was waiting for this
:D:D. We'll the thing is it really is'nt so much more processor intensive than Symbian as far as I know. If by processor intensive you mean it has a whole lot of crap running in the background, maybe, if you mean each app consumes more of the CPU, Yes of course if it has'nt been optimized for the architecture, this has been solved to an extent with SYmbian due to symbian signed(imo SYmbian has become so closed its almost not a smartphone in the truest sense of the word, but this is'nt a discussion on Symbain vs WM). On these counts you may be right, BUT you cant say it is so processor intensive that it makes a very big difference on day to day usage, this I beg to differ, small almost negilgeable difference yes, big one no.
thanks for all the info aksd. I wan't your estimate about how faster is Symbian compared to WM.
Supposing we are to build a UIQ version of Xperia with all the fancy panels at the same level of performance of the WM version. How much should we underclock Xperias 528mhz for the UIQ version just enough to achive comparable performance with WM? 400mhz? or probably lower?
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Posted: 2008-03-22 19:29:37
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Hi all
Something else just occurred to me whilst posting in another thread and am interested to see what some of your views of this are.
We have been told that the X1 is going to be targeted at the corporate market as this where SE would like to make break through now obviously being in the UK i can only really talk about this market. But it has occurred to me that Voda, 02, T-Mobile and Orange all have their own branded versions of the TyTN2 currently and therefore don't sell the TyTN themselves.
So how likely is that they will be selling the X1? if they have there own branded similar versions. Also just how many corporates do you think buy there devices Sim Free as opposed to getting them free with their contracts, the same goes for how many ordinary users are going to buy this expensive device Sim Free.
All of the above only really struck me a short while ago and IMO could prove to be real stumbling block for the X1's success, i would be interested to hear what some of you think about this.
Marc
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Posted: 2008-03-22 21:17:06
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Very good point but i think if the phone is marketed properly then it will be fine.
If the phone is successfully perceived as on "iphone beater" then i think the operators that haven't got the iphone will be kicking each other out the way to get the X1.
I would be surprised however if the X1 appeared on all the major networks but i expect it to be released on O2 and "3" at least.
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Posted: 2008-03-22 21:49:25
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The XPERIA X1 would be the driving force to move me back to the vile 3 network. I would prefer it on O2 though.
While reading this thread, I noticed that there were rumours of a P-series phone to be released soon. Any preliminary details or news or just stick to the X1?
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Posted: 2008-03-22 22:08:12
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P5 is coming soon also but thats not even announced yet, check the other thread.
Also what makes you sure X1 will be taken up by 3? They had enough problems just trying to get a QTEK working properly I dont think it ever came out in the end.
I think X1 will sell ok but is too niche a phone as its WM. People in Europe are too used to S60/UIQ or dumbhones. It will be mainly the existing WM users and die hard SE fans that will go for the X1. By the time the X1 is out im sure other brands will have similar devices announced/release. For example look at the F480 or the new LG internet device. Also isnt the X1 suppposed to be ridiculously priced?
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Posted: 2008-03-22 22:22:48
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@bavlondon
as a PPC device X1 is much cheaper than it's WM6.1 counterpart, Asus ZX1
the latter lacks the same dense display as with X1 as well
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Posted: 2008-03-23 00:22:19
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