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It's a problem by it self, that's why Sony is still looking,
Options ?
Qualcomm : let's face it, this is the best option... until Sony starts to make their own SoC.. the problem is Sony needs to better relation with them so they can get more quantities sooner than others, or at least in the same time frame...
TI : They are slow adopting new and high-end technologies and also latley they announced they will give the SoC market less priority over their other projects...
NVIDIA : competitive, yes but bad for long term 3rd party supporting ( developers unfriendly )
ST-E : competitve, but slow when adopting new technologies, just compare it to Samsung for example
Samsung : Good and fast, but they won't help Sony be a competitive for their own phones, + Samsung SoC has a bad reputation in developers eye's...
That's why Sony is still looking, and the latest rumours pointed to the Chinese maker MediaTek for a Quad Core A7 SoC testing... this will be a good choice for mid level quad core phones phones, but high-ends needs A15 cores...
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Posted: 2012-12-06 10:49:40
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Sony's own SoC
I don't think this will happen soon, unless they generate some hefty cash again
that will able them to buy a modem license from Ericsson in order to integrate into own SoC
A competitive SoC should have modem integrated, standard has been set by Qualcomm
even nVidia also follow this same trend in forthcoming Tegra 4 as you may see.
Samsung must watchout this problem (modem integrated SoC)
which significantly reduce power consumption if not they will fall from competitive level
As now, I'm interesting to see what modem is inside Galaxy Note 2 US model
They put an LTE modem along with Exynos 4 Quad, but surely not integrate unlike Qualcomm.
As for MediaTek initial adoption (testing), it's very interesting
that Sony will fighting hard in hardware race and marketing push
though support HD resolution and 28 nanometer made, very good for mid-end market
better choice than Qualcomm Quad-A5 in 2013 anyway,
and ST-E may late in competition again with L8540 / L8580
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Posted: 2012-12-06 11:19:59
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On 2012-12-06 11:19:59, HxH wrote:
Sony's own SoC
I don't think this will happen soon, unless they generate some hefty cash again
that will able them to buy a modem license from Ericsson in order to integrate into own SoC
A competitive SoC should have modem integrated, standard has been set by Qualcomm
even nVidia also follow this same trend in forthcoming Tegra 4 as you may see.
[ This Message was edited by: HxH on 2012-12-06 10:26 ]
Sony and Tosh gobble chips to kick start recovery
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/12/06/japan_toshiba_sony_chips_splurge/
Ailing Japanese electronics giants Sony and Toshiba are set to splurge a combined total of over $US14bn (£8.7bn) on chips next year to support a range of new products they hope will turn their fortunes around, according to market watcher IHS iSuppli.
The analyst revealed in its IHS Semiconductor Spend Analysis report that Sony’s chip spend would jump by five per cent from $8bn (£4.9bn) this year to $8.4bn (£5.2bn) next, while Toshiba will increase outlay on processors by two per cent to $6.1bn (£3.8bn) in 2013 and then by 6.3 per cent the following year to reach $6.5bn (£4bn).
The two firms’ optimistic outlook is in stark contrast to that of their domestic counterparts Panasonic and Sharp, both of which plan less spending reductions will drop in 2013 and 2014, iSuppli said.
Sony, whose credit rating was recently dropped down three notches by Fitch to double-B-minus, even lower than Panasonic’s, was forced to sell its chemicals business to the state-run Development Bank of Japan and issue five year convertible bonds in order to generate a profit this year.
It’s also in the process of cutting 10,000 jobs by the end of fiscal 2012 and is selling off manufacturing plants and shares in joint ventures.
Toshiba is faring better than most and still hopes to generate a net profit despite losses in the past two quarters.
IHS said that despite the gloomy headlines, innovation at the firms could yet herald a resurgence in the market, pointing to a wide range of smartphones, tablets, TVs and cameras on show at Japan’s CEATEC show in October.
In particular it highlighted a Bravia 4K LCD TV and hybrid tablet-laptop devices from Sony as well as plans for a PlayStation 4 console, as well as new REGZA HDTVs, ultrabooks and tablets from Toshiba.
IHS is predicting mixed fortunes for the two, however, with Sony likely to see 3.7 per cent revenue growth while Tosh is set to suffer a further one per cent decline.
“All the Japanese consumer electronics OEMs are struggling financially – prompting them to take measures to cut costs in order to shore up their profits,” said IHS analyst Myson Robles-Bruce, in a canned statement.
“But even in these grim circumstances, Sony and Toshiba remain optimistic about the future, and are taking steps to invest in innovative products. This will cause their spending on semiconductors to rise in the coming years.” ®
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Posted: 2012-12-06 12:18:27
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About ST-E being slow...
The a9600 with integrated LTE should be the best chip of 2013. If the 2H Sony flagship uses it, I'll want it, lol.
If the a15 exynos is quad...Then there will be problems. But I think it would drain too much battery...
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Posted: 2012-12-06 13:12:07
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On 2012-12-06 13:12:07, Away wrote:
About ST-E being slow...
The a9600 with integrated LTE should be the best chip of 2013. If the 2H Sony flagship uses it, I'll want it, lol.
If the a15 exynos is quad...Then there will be problems. But I think it would drain too much battery...
A9600 is off the ST-Ericsson website. So perhaps we will never see a phone with A9600.
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Posted: 2012-12-06 13:25:58
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@randomuser
Please tell me that this is because of it being slightly modified to make it even better with the release still expected in the same time frame...
I really, really don't want to see the 2H flagship with a MSM8974...ST-E have a beast...
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Posted: 2012-12-06 14:06:19
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On 2012-12-06 13:25:58, randomuser wrote:
On 2012-12-06 13:12:07, Away wrote:
About ST-E being slow...
The a9600 with integrated LTE should be the best chip of 2013. If the 2H Sony flagship uses it, I'll want it, lol.
If the a15 exynos is quad...Then there will be problems. But I think it would drain too much battery...
A9600 is off the ST-Ericsson website. So perhaps we will never see a phone with A9600.
It has never been on their website, just a press release, so it's not like it has been cancelled or anything
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Posted: 2012-12-06 14:24:35
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Apparently it was on their website earlier but was removed last month or so.
@aurelius
Let us know what's happening with A9600.
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Posted: 2012-12-06 14:56:56
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Sony Mobile launches Flash Tool for Xperia smartphones; currently in beta [Video]
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Posted: 2012-12-06 17:35:51
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@Randomuser
zomgbbqftw gave this is info on Neogaf forum... Are those the rumored specs of 6" phablet & Q4 flagship...???
"I don't think HTC are going to be competitive with Sony in 2013. They are really struggling to get a hit product out, and if they are going to release the M7 as it currently is in Europe they will be destroyed by Sony as it is much, much larger and has a worse battery than Odin.
As a side note, I pitched my naming convention to a friend of mine at Sony Mobile, he is going to take it to management because it makes much more sense than their current naming scheme.
Xperia 4 - 720p ~360PPI, 12MP, MSM8960T, 1.5GB, microSD, 16GB, 1800mAh
Xperia 5 - 1080p 440PPI, 13MP, APQ8064, LTE, 2GB, microSD, 32GB, 2400mAh
Xperia 5R - 1080p 440PPI, 13MP, APQ8064, LTE, 2GB, microSD, 32GB, 2800mAh, water resistant IP57
Xperia 6 - 1080p ~370PPI, 13MP, APQ8064, LTE, 3GB, microSD, 32GB, 3500mAh
That is what the rumours point to and if they use the naming scheme I passed on to my friend then that is what the Q1/2 Sony mobile line up looks like at the top end.
I have a Q4 rumour to share as well:
5" 1080p, quad core A15, 3GB, 3000mAh, 16MP, around the same size of Yuga, no IP57.
Still early design phase though, so the specs can change at any point between now and October."...
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Posted: 2012-12-06 19:20:44
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