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@BoyBawang,
You really cant tell if Symbian is going to be faster than WM or not and even IF WM is slower it'll be slower by less than a second, more like a few milli seconds hardly noticeable. Also since we are specualting that Symbian is faster theres no real proof as at this moment you dont have two identical devices running both OS present you really cant tell.
@Marc
The X1 is a Multimedia as well as Buisnes device and at tis realease is going to be a bit more powerful than the TyTn2, once the X1 releases there is really no point in anyone purchasing a TyTn2.
The carriers know this, and the number of complaints they've recieved about the TyTn2 will surely get them to consider selling the X1 instead. Then everybody is a winner, the carriers, SE and HTC.
The price is just speculation, WM as it is is over priced and it would marketing suicide if the phone was launched over 400 pounds sim free. My guess is launch price is around 400-500 and then an immediate drop to the 350 pound region.
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Akshay
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Posted: 2008-03-23 04:27:48
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Knowing the way SE do business, it is very likely that X1 price will be way over the top on release. (well, there are a lot of diehard SE fans who are always willing to pay any price for something with an SE badge).
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Posted: 2008-03-23 04:45:41
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yes, but not me. I always wait before any new product is released to market. One; to see if any problems crop up, and two; for the price to come down
You are right SE are unshiftable little buggers on pricing. It's the Sony influence. For example even though you can get Sony MP3 players now for $80 for 2GB, you still can't buy the older ATRAC players (that don't even support mp3 drag and drop) for less than $130 for 1GB
I saw one in a WOW store, and tried to haggle the sales rep down (on the basis that the new models are better and cheaper - I wanted an atrac player for an ATRAC usb mini-system), which is usually possible on superceded models, but apparently Sony haven't dropped the retail price yet, so the store can't reduce the price without selling it way below cost.
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Posted: 2008-03-23 05:09:29
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In my country, SEs pricing is more acceptable than Nokia brands. SEs flagship prices fall faster too. Maybe the slow 200mhz processor explains it. But with Xperias leap to 528mhz, plus being Windows Mobile and manufactured by another company HTC, pricing will never be the same again.....
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Posted: 2008-03-23 06:28:33
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@max_wedge
yes, but not me. I always wait before any new product is released to market. One; to see if any problems crop up, and two; for the price to come down
yep. that is the most prudent advice you can give to SE fans.
SE phones tend have more bugs/problems and bigger price drop after the initial release compared to other brands.
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Posted: 2008-03-23 06:29:48
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On 2008-03-23 06:29:48, mib1800 wrote:
SE phones tend to have more bugs/problems and bigger price drop after the initial release '''compared to other brands'''
and you test 'every' phone on its release do you mib1800?
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Posted: 2008-03-23 07:33:01
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On 2008-03-23 06:29:48, mib1800 wrote:
@max_wedge
yes, but not me. I always wait before any new product is released to market. One; to see if any problems crop up, and two; for the price to come down
yep. that is the most prudent advice you can give to SE fans.
SE phones tend have more bugs/problems and bigger price drop after the initial release compared to other brands.
I happily admit it. But it's not just SE but any manufacturer I apply this rule to.
Sure I wish SE improved their testing process. But all I ultimately care about SE is that they keep producing great phones. If 30% are complete crap I don't care, as long as the ones I do buy are good. So far, using this philosophy, I've never been let down by SE
Everyone thinks I'm a fanboy, but seriously, if I was wouldn't I be the one buying the newest and greatest first of the assembly line?
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Posted: 2008-03-23 08:13:53
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@askd
You are kidding me right you really think the X1 will be the only device with these sort of spec's by the time it launches? you don't think the next version of the TyTN will be released by then and all the Networks that run their branded versions will have them available?
@all
This is why i am now questioning just how are consumers going to buy the X1 as if the Networks have their own or similar variants they won't stock a direct competitor to their own product will they?
In which case that leaves only the Sim free route and will exclude it's target market of Businesses that like to get their device cheap or free with their contracts.
Now if SE is only really looking at the USA market they hardly have a market presence and in the US people are used t getting their devices with a contract even more. Also from what i have heard the Networks also customize and remove features they don't like to an even greater degree than in Europe and agin have their own branded version of products to.
I am just putting this out there and trying to understand where the sales of this device are going to come from as if it's just the SE loyal who will buy it Sim Free that really isn't any where near a large enough market even if it takes previous UIQ users.
Marc
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@Marc
The next TyTn2 wont be out for a while, the next big thing from HTC is the Omni which is a Universal replacement. Even if HTC do announce a TyTn2 successor the specs will be identical to the X1, and if the average consumer has to decide between an SE and HTC, he/she'd go with SE.
ASUS have already announced their coming phones and none of them compare to the TyTn2, ETEN have announced their line up as well and so have GiGabyte, they all have quite decent specced madels but nothing up there with the X1, except for the Gigabyte maybe but you know that Gigabyte hardly sells their phones on as large scale as HTC or SE.
Of course the market scene might be different in a few months, all we're doing is speculation.
No disrecpect meant toward you but you're looking at things from one persepctive and thats basically as a device geek where you'd research first and buy, but these kind of sales in places like India and CHina are very few, 2/10, the rest go for brand name, I've worked/known people in cellphone shops, service centers and research department and in India most of the sales(India is one of the largest markets for cellphones just behind china) are by un informed people who hardly even connect their phones to a computer buying an N95 becuase of it "5 Mpx" camera and they end up never transferring that pic to their comp. Its all about brand image. I'm sure theres a lot of it in the UK not everybody has the time or patience to visit forums, in todays worl people have money, they like something and they can afford to buy it, simple as that and they're not too bothered about its overall quality or how it compares in the market becuase they know in a matter of 6 months they'd change anyway.
As far as your question goes on the sales of the X1, I feel the carriers would pick it up, not sure as we dont have a similar system in India, but imo it would be stupid if they did'nt. The X1 will become the face of WM as microsoft are extremely excited about a major player entering the WM field, just what they were waiting for. You'd have idiots like me upgrading form a TyTn2 although its not really an upgrade
(if i can afford it), you'll have the hungry SE supports waiting for that "one" phone comparable to the N95 buying it, you'd have rather ill informed buisnessmen buying the X1 as its pocketable and an SE, just what many are waiting for. An in the WM world the X1 is going to outsell any of its competing devices for sure.
Every situation has many perspectives to it, to actually understand the X1's market niche you need to understand the current WM market, that is severly lacking in a multimedia phone.
The X1 targets several markets from Multimedia to the SE fanbase, to the buisnessman, to the WM geek, to the touchscreen geek. Its very complex and a brilliant move by SE depending as you say on the pricing.
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Posted: 2008-03-23 11:28:18
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aksd:
An in the WM world the X1 is going to outsell any of its competing devices for sure.
This is a bold statement given that the X1 is made by HTC.
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Posted: 2008-03-23 12:23:25
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