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@gelfen
Yeah, not all people understand. It's sad to think that almost all conflict are caused by misunderstanding.
God is Love. He wants us to love our neighbors just as we love Him...and when we say "our neighbors" that includes people from other faith. That also includes the one who stole from you..even the one who insulted you.. Love only bears weight when you love those who are hard to accept or understand. It is easy to love those who are good to you. Let's just pray for those who persecuted both Non-muslims and Muslims. They just have to live and respect their differences altogether. Stop the hatred towards each other.
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Posted: 2006-02-06 08:37:43
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On 2006-02-06 08:03:43, 786KBR wrote:
What I think some of you dont understand is that we as muslims are muslim everyday, every hour and every minute, we wake up in the morning with a prayer, we pray before we eat, we pray before we leave our houses, we pray before we get into the car, we pary when we reach our destination safely, we pray when we get home... and ofcourse our 5 daily prayers, its a way of life we are muslim 24 hours a day!!
I am a Taoist every day, every hour and every minute. That does not mean that I regard Taoism as being above debate, discussion or questioning. It does not mean that I will seek to impose my beliefs on others and limit their rights.
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So we wont allow some fool to draw a cartoon in attempt to ruin and desecrate all that is good and hurt us where it hurts the most!!!
In one of those rare moments that I agree with absin (which seem to becoming more and more common actually) I have to say that this is exactly what this thread is about. Who are you to decide what I or anyone else can or cannot say? You are entitled to your own opinion, but you are not entitled to decide the opinions of others.
I should also point out that the cartoons were not printed in a deliberate attempt to attack Islam, they were printed because the author believed that Islam should be treated equally alongside the other religions in Denmark. Those other religions have been satarised, again not through a desire to attack or denigrate.
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Posted: 2006-02-06 08:37:52
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@ Scots I dont believe theirs another cartoonist out there daring enough to pull another stint like this!
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Posted: 2006-02-06 08:42:54
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@ Scots I dont believe theirs another cartoonist out there daring enough to pull another stint like this!
Why? Because some people think they can silence free speech by the threat of violence?
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Posted: 2006-02-06 08:46:28
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@ Scots I dont believe theirs another cartoonist out there daring enough to pull another stint like this!
Why? Because some people think they can silence free speech by the threat of violence?
How is that Free speach??? Shouldnt Free speech at least be based on truth??
If someone draws a cartoon about Jesus being a child rapist, is that free speech?? No its false untrue and utter Bullshit!!!!!!
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Posted: 2006-02-06 08:49:31
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Free speech means I can say what I want. I can be offensive, untruthful and even deliberately malicious, should I choose.
Free speech doesn't have to be 'good' speech.
As I've said, I think those cartoons were a foolish enterprise, but I will defend the right to be foolish.
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Posted: 2006-02-06 08:52:14
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Free speech means I can say what I want. I can be offensive, untruthful and even deliberately malicious, should I choose.
Free speech doesn't have to be 'good' speech.
As I've said, I think those cartoons were a foolish enterprise, but I will defend the right to be foolish.
And then you can get arrested and bring your coutry name down just like this "fool" has!
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Posted: 2006-02-06 08:55:27
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@absin
That is exactly it. I don't think those cartoons were a particularly good idea either, but I will defend the author's right to publish them. As you say, free speech isn't necessarily good speech; very well put!
The right to say what we please, hold our own opinions and discuss, question and debate issues is a fundamental principle of our society. No one or no thing should be out of reach of people to discuss and debate, whether it be a religious matter or not. We don't need to agree with everything that is said, but we do need to respect the person's right to say it.
@786
The author of the cartoons has not been arrested and Denmark may only have had its reputation sullied in some Muslim countries. Fellow Europeans will not be blaming Denmark for anything because it wasn't Denmark who published the cartoons, it was a man working for a Danish newspaper; there is no connection to the Danish government.
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Posted: 2006-02-06 09:00:02
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Quote:On 2006-02-06 08:42:54, 786KBR wrote:
@ Scots I dont believe theirs another cartoonist out there daring enough to pull another stint like this!
don't bet on it
http://www.coxandforkum.com/
another interesting website (a more serious if no less relevant one):
Mohammed Image Archive
"Controversy over the publication of images depicting Mohammed in the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten has erupted into an international furor. While Muslims worldwide are calling for a boycott of Denmark and any other nation whose press reprints the cartoons, Europeans are trying to stand up for Western principles of freedom of speech and not cave in to self-censorship in the name of multiculturalism and fear.
While the debate rages, an important point has been overlooked: despite the Islamic prohibition against depicting Mohammed under any circumstances, hundreds of paintings, drawings and other images of Mohammed have been created over the centuries, with nary a word of complaint from the Muslim world. The recent cartoons in Jyllands-Posten are nothing new; it's just that no other images of Mohammed have ever been so widely publicized.
This page is an archive of numerous depictions of Mohammed, to serve as a reminder that such imagery has been part of Western and Islamic culture since the Middle Ages -- and to serve as a resource for those interested in freedom of expression."
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Posted: 2006-02-06 09:14:50
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@ scots yes you right, it was the Jordanion editor that was arrested, A Danish newspaper is a danish brand!
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Posted: 2006-02-06 09:19:26
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