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To summorise, how does this phone compare with the P990i? Will this phone be the eventual replacement of the P9xx phones, or is it a separate and different range of phone?
Basically, if the two has to fight it out, which one would be the winner? In other words, whith which one can you do more and have more functionality etc. Exclude the lack of camera in this competition as it was stated why this phone does not have a camera.
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Posted: 2006-02-09 00:09:14
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man oh man! This phone is not a direct competitor to the P990. Okay sure it will compete for marketshare traditionally held by the P910, but they never had a phone like the M600 before. (A pda with no camera) The M600 and P990 are parrallel models, they each serve different market segments that sometimes overlap.
And all youse complaining about lack of wifi - sheesh! It's not a big deal. For you maybe, but think about it - 3G services are virtually broadband speed anyway, so a little extra speed of wifi won't make any difference since you are using the interent over wifi not telephony services.
So if you had to have only one form of high speed data connectivity, which one is more widespread, 3G or wifi? To have both and the phone is suddenly two fat to compete with traditional push email phones like the blackberry (push email services are very successful even though the phones they use often don't even have 3G, and certainly not wifi or cameras)
As far as cost of wifi goes, well once capped data plans for 3G becomes common then everyone will be able to afford as much 3G data as they like and the fact wifi is free won't matter. And no businessman is going to hunt around for a free wifi bubble to save a few bucks, when they have a permanent access to 3G data without any hassle.
So what do you get if you add wifi and a camera to an M600 anyway?
A P990 of course! So if you don't like the M600, just buy the P990. If you want a P990 in a nice slim form factor like the M600, then buy an M600 and live without wifi or camera. The M600 may not be exactly what some want, but it is a perfectly viable competitor and replacement for blackberry type handsets, which is what it was designed to compete with.
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Posted: 2006-02-09 01:02:01
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Not having WiFi certainly isn't the end of the world. If you're always attached to a 3G network, you can go online in seconds. On a 9300i/9500, you must wait to connect to a WiFi network and then make sure you don't move away. Speed often fluctuates as the transceiver is quite weak (or you're going to kill the battery in double time).
If I am on the train, I can hook up to a hotspot while I wait but my train doesn't have WiFi on it when I move.. so I just stick with 3G in the first place. It's fast enough, even for web browsing, thanks to most APNs compressing sites (although compressing the images isn't always a good thing).
I think some people have come into this thread and jumped straight to the last page. From the beginning, it's been made clear that Sony Ericsson plan to expand the range of UIQ devices this year by making devices to suit different needs and tastes. This is the second, and more will come.
By launching a whole portfolio, it's 100% impossible for them to please everyone with every product! Some will have things that others will not, which is deliberate and a good thing to increase sales, enhance profits and ensure we get more great devices in the future. It's good for UIQ too, ensuring we get more developer support from people who may otherwise concentrate on Series 60, 80 and Windows Mobile.
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Posted: 2006-02-09 01:30:56
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well said. Many people who dis SE for not including EVERYTHING in one phone, are the same peeps who critiscised SE a year or so ago for having a limited range of handsets. Back then, all handsets where fully featured (example you only had the K700, but it could do everything. The t610, before that, could do everything) Now you've got K300, K500, K700, J200, F500 etc etc etc to choose from. But the J200 for example doesn't even have bluetooth when for a while all picture phones by SE had it.
So with more handset choice, comes harder choices to be made when buying, simple. You can't get away from this equation.
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Posted: 2006-02-09 02:41:03
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I'm gonna say, i think this phone looks amazing. For me, it will be a tough choice between the m600 and p990i, will have to read a few reviews, play with them both and then find out.
I think too many of you are jumping to conclusions allready. Give it a chance. I'm not a business user, WI-fi would be nice, but it is by no means a neccessity. And the camera, well, they have always been a novelty, i think it's rediculous people expect a camera on a phone. I have a real camera for taking photo's, one where the images are actually usable.
What i'm interested in is the user interface, is it going to be identical to the p990? are the exact same range of apps going to be available? If so, i can easily see myself with this phone, especially if it's going to be cheaper than the p990.
If these phone's get released side-by-side, i will have a tough choice, but if one comes out before the other, i doubt i will be able to hold back.
I have to say though, i'm surprised there was so little hype around this, I can't wait to see this phone for real, it could be a real winner. daz.
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Posted: 2006-02-09 03:07:05
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daz, I have to disagree about 2MP digital cameras in phones being a gimick
Not every phone needs a camera it's true, but if you do want to have a camera handy at all times it's briliant - and the K750 2MP cam (or p990) takes perfectly useable photos that can be printed up to 8x10 no worries at all. Perhaps you haven't seen any of the picture threads?
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Posted: 2006-02-09 03:16:23
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still the P990 for me hehe
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Posted: 2006-02-09 05:22:58
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Yes the M600 has its place; even though I'm not interested in it. There's still a market for it clearly.
But if pricing is the same and given a choice 7/10 my estimate, public consumers with their voting dollars would choice the P990i -> especially those roaming out of EuroAsia. Why .... simple WiFi.
WiFi is more abundant in other countries other than UK, France, Isreal as more channels are available. And WiFi can span 120 Meters in open air ... and real world from out of a steel frame new house up to 90meters. There is an abundant of open, non-fee, WiFi hotspots in Canadian & US major cities .... a PRIME example is Seattle WA; where ANYWHERE you go you can connect, while communiting and get handed off to another WiFi AP while you surf.
Why am I toting WiFi? 3G outtages happen more often than you think. multiple hand-offs is very real when spanning more than 7 towers just like when ur on a GPRS network only (remember MS PURGE?!!). WiFi, if a network is setup correctly can handle this smoothly even with 802.11g. And if you roam with your M600 out of Europe, then bye-bye 3G in the only band it offers. Sure BB's do very well with GPRS speeds, so by no means should the M600 falter without 3G. All I'm saying is at least offer it a 1900Mhz UMTS radio for North & South America to strengthen its appeal where the p990i doesnt have that support in 3G. OPTIONS is what I'm saying thats all.
Glad that SE is giving us that .... bravo!
PS Anyone curious to know the codename or what the design of an SE UIQ non-touch-screen s60 fighter will look like?!!
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Posted: 2006-02-09 05:58:32
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On 2006-02-09 01:02:01, max_wedge wrote:
And all youse complaining about lack of wifi - sheesh! It's not a big deal. For you maybe, but think about it - 3G services are virtually broadband speed anyway, so a little extra speed of wifi won't make any difference since you are using the interent over wifi not telephony services.
So if you had to have only one form of high speed data connectivity, which one is more widespread, 3G or wifi? To have both and the phone is suddenly two fat to compete with traditional push email phones like the blackberry (push email services are very successful even though the phones they use often don't even have 3G, and certainly not wifi or cameras)
As far as cost of wifi goes, well once capped data plans for 3G becomes common then everyone will be able to afford as much 3G data as they like and the fact wifi is free won't matter. And no businessman is going to hunt around for a free wifi bubble to save a few bucks, when they have a permanent access to 3G data without any hassle.
So what do you get if you add wifi and a camera to an M600 anyway?
A little extra speed?
3G: 384kbps here
WiFi: 54Mbps for 802.11g like E61 supports
Do the maths...
As I said, the lack of WiFi is likely due to
not willing to compete directly with P990i.
Also your price reasoning is not making sense. 3G is yet to make a real breakthrough (we are already in 2006...) and I think is a failure altogether despite what big companies are saying to save their faces. WiFi is here and virtually in every single country. And its mostly free.
[Edit: WiFi also allows for free/cheaaap VoIP calls. E61 does this too
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Btw this was posted from E61
[ This Message was edited by: Super G on 2006-02-09 08:55 ]
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Posted: 2006-02-09 08:09:06
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Hmmmm......Memory seems to be on the low side.
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Posted: 2006-02-09 08:38:19
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