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On 2009-02-16 23:03:55, norbi_nw wrote:
but thats only talk.. it's still a prototype, but it outruns any phone i've ever seen!! the speed of the interface that is.. iPhone is BS comapred to this.
Be fair, the iPhone interface is every bit as fast and has been since the original was launched in 2007. The idou won't be out till July 2009 at the very earliest (and my money's still on December or later, sorry people).
Ps - @mario, if you're trying to destroy S60 and ensure the fledgling Symbian Foundation fails at the hands of the ever more powerful smartphone competition, then your constant harping on is definitely going to help, well done!
[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2009-02-17 07:45 ]
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Posted: 2009-02-17 08:19:25
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Mario, I don't see the point in looking to the 5800 to see what touch S60 is like. Idou is running an
designed system on top of S60, just like Samsung is running TouchWiz on top with the Omnia HD. The experience and speed will be totally different.
[ This Message was edited by: marty mcfly on 2009-02-17 12:56 ]
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Posted: 2009-02-17 10:46:28
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On 2009-02-17 10:46:28, marty mcfly wrote:
Mario, I don't see the point in looking to the 5800 to see what touch S60 is like. Idou is running an :re: designed system on top of S60, just like Samsung is running TouchWiz on top with the Omnia HD. The experience and speed will be totally different.
and both have far better symbian UI experience than the old school looking 5800 and N97 interface.
[ This Message was edited by: razec on 2009-02-17 09:51 ]
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Posted: 2009-02-17 10:50:50
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I have to say, looking at the Omnia HD which is out in "two months", SE had better get a move on with Idou. Okay, it's "only" an 8mp camera, but in all other respects its looks the equal or better of SE's effort. That AMOLED screen is quite an attention grabber, and the touch-wiz interface (which is absolutely no relation to anything on any Nokia phone) is extremely fast and quite well thought out.
[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2009-02-17 10:03 ]
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Posted: 2009-02-17 11:02:11
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Hmmm . . . I see the people in here are still very much biased regarding the manufacturer. Mind you, some will never change. The reality is, the world around you is changing and either you want to accept it or not but change will does take place
Look at X1. To say that the 'new special OS' is not s60 is like saying the X1's OS is not WM6 but SE
In a way you are right, but deep down you are not.
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Posted: 2009-02-17 12:22:11
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Mario what are you talking about? Are you even reading these comments? No one is hating on S60 or Nokia, we're saying that it's pointless to look at the 5800 interface because it's just plain old school S60. The new phones from
and Samsung use S60 as their base, but put their own menus on top. Therefore we have no idea at this stage how either will behave, because there is nothing to compare them with. I don't see anyone being biased here at all, I think you are paranoid
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Posted: 2009-02-17 12:38:50
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OK, then so be it. I only wanted to share a bit of Symbian knowledge but I see now, some of the members in this forum have a 'different' mentality then the Symbian forum members I usually interact with. Fine with me. No arguing. However, I dare to make one prediction: Some (actually most) programs written for the N97 will run just fine on the ‘special SE operating system’ whatever SE will decide to call it and of course, will run just as happily on Samsung’s TouchViz Interface. But then again, just to keep you happy, it doesn’t have anything to do with the s60 OS
(Here is something recent about TouchViz -
http://www.engadgetmobile.com[....]nds-on-now-with-more-touchwiz/ - ) And don’t worry, I won’t bother in here anymore. -
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[ This Message was edited by: mario2004 on 2009-02-17 12:29 ]
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Posted: 2009-02-17 13:07:39
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**Umm..well yea. We all know that the SF OS is backward compatible with other S60 apps. But your stupid inference that Nokia has patented many S60 formats or blah is pure shit. Legally, you cannot patent anything in an open source platform. If you do so, it defies the basic presence of S60.
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Posted: 2009-02-17 13:28:49
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Posted: 2009-02-17 13:32:42
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Ugh.
Let's just get a few things straight here. S60 and UIQ were both user interfaces built on top of Symbian. Symbian itself was always the underlying OS of both, and came not from Nokia or SE but Psion, where it was originally developed under the name of Epoc and then spun out as a separate company.
UIQ was designed as a touchscreen interface since day one. That was its main differentiating factor. Nokia, in its wisdom, didn't go so much on touchscreens and developed S60 essentially as a button and menu operated UI, based very much on their own propietary interface (which they at the same time named "S40"). They used it to power any number of what were, essentially, featurephones with extended features - while SE championed UIQ for use in much more defined smartphones.
Fast forward several years, S60 has large market share thanks to its featurephone basis, but is fantastically outdated as an interface when compared to the latest from Apple etc. UIQ is much more up to date in UI terms, but woefully unsupported and unknown due to poor investment and a string of both hardware and software blunders along the way.
Now what's happened right now with Symbian? A fantastic victory for S60 over allcomers? Hardly. Firstly, the whole shebang (whether you're looking at Nokia, S60, UIQ, SE, Symbian itself, or anyone else involved) have all been thoroughly shown up and shamed by the iPhone. The Symbian movement has been chasing the dream of a popular smartphone for 10 years and really not made much of an impact - Apple have achieved it from a standing start in about 18 months. That makes everyone look stupid, Nokia especially so since they've invested more than anyone.
S60 hasn't won. S60 the interface that competed with UIQ is clearly on its way out, retired, since the early emphasis on S40-like menu operation has now come home to roost and left it feeling dated and irrelevant in the new, post-iPhone era. Instead we have an initial attempt to touchify it in the form of the 5800, but ultimately a stripping away of that interface, of what made S60, with the next OS. With the Omnia HD, Idou etc, regardless of their S60 compatibilty, what we're seeing is a new interface - neither S60 or UIQ - running on top of a Symbian base which yes, includes much of the added S60 code, but is equally a rejection of the S60 design, and a long overdue break away from the poor Nokia design decisions that held the platform back for so long.
At least, that's how I see it. And if I'm wrong, and I see any of that S60 heritage seeping through into the Idou, then I won't be buying it - not because I'm biased, or because I'm (at all) brand loyal, but because S60 is a blighted, awful, mess that's plagued Symbian for far too long already.
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Posted: 2009-02-17 13:58:08
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