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On 2009-09-07 13:49:54, i-am-andrew wrote:
On 2009-09-06 21:14:38, Prom1 wrote:
I'm beginning to wonder do we really need a physical keyboard any longer.
For me, a hardware keyboard is what really makes having a phone like this worthwhile. Virtual keyboards use a lot of screen space and I wouldn't want the phone to be much wider than it is. I also avoid touching the screen with my fingers to keep it clean, using a stylus wouldn't give the advantages of a QWERTY keyboard. But maybe I'm just a greaseball!
Everyone has different tastes, but I think the hardware keyboard is one of the X1 and X2's biggest strengths.
That is quote funny.
Physical keyboards - qwerty will takeup MORE space almost everytime on a device! Virtual keyboards can be rotated to portrait mode and then become a T9. X2 will allow a virtual T9 but only in portrait mode I believe.
There are only 2 devices on the market that offer qwerty and are as small or as 'narrow' as just about any regular feature phone using numerical T9 entry: Nokia E71 (which I've owned 3 times and still do as my ONLY mobile) and the BlackBerry 8100 series (Nokia E55 as well).
I know ALL about qwerty keypads on smartphones, as I not only use them exclusively but support them as well (BB's). I'm definately not know to qwerty. But qwerty without a proper text edit, prediction, and library edit for prediction means NOTHING; you get no power except basic character input. If you're unsure look at a few of my older posts on my blog to fully understand.
I'm just at a cross-roads because I've tried typing on the iPhone 3G this past weekend and it gives me the ability to:
press & hold a character, slide to the right one BEFORE entering it in. cannot do this on physical.
Not many physical keyboards on smartphones allow for touch typing (without your eyes fully paying attention to the keys). Sure software based keyboards will possibly never allow this either. However only the BB 8820 was I able to walk through a crowded subway station without ever looking at the device and be able to accurately type a full paragraph in an email. I have yet to accomplish this on the E71 since last August or any other qwerty.
So my point is ... if a software qwerty can be implemented, with piezo feedback on the screen (not silent mode vibration doing feedback), then what do you really need to see the full screen for??
When you're typing an email you really only need to see the following:
* Time & Date
* Network/Data Signal strength status.
* other status notification icons.
* possibly a 1 line scrollable bar showing maximum 10-15characters scrolling for important messages/notifications in text.
You don't need to see a picture of whom your typing to; you've already seen that when replying/composing/forwarding to. You don't need to see the background cool image, your concentrating on the text you're entering. When you need to see a file manager when attaching items at THAT time the keyboard will/should disappear until fully attached; at which point after you can continue composing your message.
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Posted: 2009-09-07 21:31:18
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For me only real keyboard, sorry prom:-) I used to it on P990, then P1 and now with X1 it is a must have. And x2 keyboard looks fantastic:-)
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Posted: 2009-09-07 21:41:48
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Well count me in for the NO KEYBOARD club
. Why on earth would anyone want a phone with that extra bulk and expense?
While I don't want an iphone, it is an amazing device and Apple has shown what can be done with a decent screen/interface.
There's a reason the latest higher-end phones (Touch HD2, SE X3 Rachael etc.) have no keyboards, thy are REDUNDANT!
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Posted: 2009-09-07 22:06:04
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londonlad123 Posts: > 500
For me, a touchscreen keyboard is better but I specifically refer to the iPhone keyboard. It's capacitive keyboard is as responsive as a hardware keyboard, it corrects your words so you can press in the area of the letter not necessarily the exact letter and still type exactly what you want and you can keep your fingers light and fast because you only need to lightly tap instead of press the button in.
All windows mobile and Se touchscreen keyboards are not comparable and are completely crap.
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Posted: 2009-09-07 22:09:47
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I agree capcitive screen with multitouch = winner (like the Iphone hero or palm pre) but SE is delivering it late (early 2010 my conntract end up in october
) so even if the qwerty make the phone bulker (and the phone doesn't yet use the accelerometer...) a nice hardware qwerty keyboard is the best solution
Then I think that trading the X2 to the X3 will be a very good deal for those who didn't enjoyed the X2's qwerty
[ This Message was edited by: KU on 2009-09-07 21:36 ]
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Posted: 2009-09-07 22:35:30
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On 2009-09-07 21:31:18, Prom1 wrote:
On 2009-09-07 13:49:54, i-am-andrew wrote:
On 2009-09-06 21:14:38, Prom1 wrote:
I'm beginning to wonder do we really need a physical keyboard any longer.
For me, a hardware keyboard is what really makes having a phone like this worthwhile. Virtual keyboards use a lot of screen space and I wouldn't want the phone to be much wider than it is. I also avoid touching the screen with my fingers to keep it clean, using a stylus wouldn't give the advantages of a QWERTY keyboard. But maybe I'm just a greaseball!
Everyone has different tastes, but I think the hardware keyboard is one of the X1 and X2's biggest strengths.
That is quote funny.
Physical keyboards - qwerty will takeup MORE space almost everytime on a device! Virtual keyboards can be rotated to portrait mode and then become a T9. X2 will allow a virtual T9 but only in portrait mode I believe.
There are only 2 devices on the market that offer qwerty and are as small or as 'narrow' as just about any regular feature phone using numerical T9 entry: Nokia E71 (which I've owned 3 times and still do as my ONLY mobile) and the BlackBerry 8100 series (Nokia E55 as well).
I know ALL about qwerty keypads on smartphones, as I not only use them exclusively but support them as well (BB's). I'm definately not know to qwerty. But qwerty without a proper text edit, prediction, and library edit for prediction means NOTHING; you get no power except basic character input. If you're unsure look at a few of my older posts on my blog to fully understand.
I'm just at a cross-roads because I've tried typing on the iPhone 3G this past weekend and it gives me the ability to:
press & hold a character, slide to the right one BEFORE entering it in. cannot do this on physical.
Not many physical keyboards on smartphones allow for touch typing (without your eyes fully paying attention to the keys). Sure software based keyboards will possibly never allow this either. However only the BB 8820 was I able to walk through a crowded subway station without ever looking at the device and be able to accurately type a full paragraph in an email. I have yet to accomplish this on the E71 since last August or any other qwerty.
So my point is ... if a software qwerty can be implemented, with piezo feedback on the screen (not silent mode vibration doing feedback), then what do you really need to see the full screen for??
When you're typing an email you really only need to see the following:
* Time & Date
* Network/Data Signal strength status.
* other status notification icons.
* possibly a 1 line scrollable bar showing maximum 10-15characters scrolling for important messages/notifications in text.
You don't need to see a picture of whom your typing to; you've already seen that when replying/composing/forwarding to. You don't need to see the background cool image, your concentrating on the text you're entering. When you need to see a file manager when attaching items at THAT time the keyboard will/should disappear until fully attached; at which point after you can continue composing your message.
Well basically I don't use prediction, ever,
yet never write while walking - odd......
Your preference - OK. That's why we have devices without keyb. on market.
But I will never say that an onscreen comes even close to hardware.
At least with my type of preference.
PLUS - you're a bit wrong.
It's absolutely disgusting for me to WRITE on smartphone and see only
one or two lines of my text 'cos the rest is taken by onscreen keyb.
Oough! I would kill myself. When I write I want to see the context and read my work. So constant scrolling - dumb!
I write more than email on my device - texts, reviews, work with dramaturgy. So I say again:
no keyb = no device.
I'm just hoping all kinds of users will be served,
with or without hardware ctrls.......
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Posted: 2009-09-08 00:08:33
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I wonder if this thing will need daily restarts or battery removals/insertions like my X1, or my old P990 for when it locks up.
I may give SE a miss in future and look elsewhere.
Dave
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Posted: 2009-09-08 11:40:46
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My x1 works fine .
Irekomend to not insall to mush betasoftware from XDA many of them make the x1 to lock up and so on..I just use nowdays the software recomended from sonyericsson and i have no trubbel at all.....
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Posted: 2009-09-08 12:00:19
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Phone Arena preview
http://www.phonearena.com/htm[....]-X2-Preview-review-r_2259.html
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Posted: 2009-09-10 04:18:13
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Why is it that PhoneArena image samples are always washed out? before its C905, Satio and now X2. GSMArena had far better samples than those sickening picture colours. i wonder what's wrong? the phones or themselves?
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Posted: 2009-09-10 09:57:04
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