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Of course Oil was a major factor ... if not the primary reason. But it doesn't lessen the other reasons at all. You asked if Iraq's only export was bananas would we have invaded and taken over. The answer is no. But if Bananas were Iraq's main means of export income, they would not have been any threat at all. The illicit oil exports Saddam was engaged in, with kickbacks to Germany and Russia, financed his extremely lavish lifestyle (which I have no problem with except his responsibility to take care of his people first) and made it possible for him to develop and maintain WMD (as he apparently, mistakenly thought he was doing for a long time). And since he had been such a thorn in the side of the USA, he was one of the first targets on our post-9/11 radar. After the attacks the majority of Americans believed Saddam had WMD and would share them with terrorists if he could. And when our administration told him he had better open his doors and step aside unconditionally like he had agreed to do in the first place, so we could verify that he had no WMD, he continued to goof around.

And the oil - yes - now it is in US/Iraqi control. Go ahead, say the Iraq government is nothing but a puppet government. I doubt I could argue with you there. But soon there will be elections and the people will decide. They may tell the US to leave Iraq. And we have told everyone, if asked, we would leave. How do you get more independent? Hopefully we will be able to form a better relationship with Saddam out of the way. If so, we will not need to rely so heavily on Saudi Arabia for our oil. With that condition, the US can put pressure on the Saudi's to work more seriously to get terrorists out of their country, work toward a more democratic system of governance there, put pressure on them to reduce human rights violations, and break up the OPEC cartel. All positives if you ask me.

And now that the other countries in the region know that the US is deadly serious about dealing with anyone we even suspect is working with terrorists - we may be able to push for positive changes in the region without further war. But if it isn't enough - the world knows we are willing to act.
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Posted: 2004-07-28 20:18:10
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On 2004-07-27 19:32:59, ADT0079 wrote:
@patrick you have to deal with axxr and his lies and hatred other than that it will be fine

Lies and hatred ehh ok!!...whenever you bush lovers don't like what you hear you call it lies and hatred...Why do you have to get patrick to fight for you?
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Posted: 2004-07-28 21:22:51
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@all- lets stop with the personal attacks--perhaps so we can hav e a more INTELLIGENT discussion?
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Posted: 2004-07-28 21:46:00
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On 2004-07-28 21:46:00, KiMcHeEbOi wrote:
@all- lets stop with the personal attacks--perhaps so we can hav e a more INTELLIGENT discussion?



ADT speaks for Bush so obviously he will make personal attacks!!...
But honestly is this discussion really going anywhere?
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Posted: 2004-07-28 21:58:51
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the reason why we're not getting anywhere is because of all the childish little spats in the threads. Good dialogue is always progressive.
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Posted: 2004-07-29 02:31:00
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On 2004-07-29 02:31:00, KiMcHeEbOi wrote:
the reason why we're not getting anywhere is because of all the childish little spats in the threads. Good dialogue is always progressive.


Couldn't agree with you more! Please forgive my past abuses.
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Posted: 2004-07-29 10:38:26
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No this is not going anywhere but what political thread does. I would vote for edwards but will not vote for kerry and wont vote for bush so that leaves noone.lets get the thread moving in the right direction. What do u think about all the countrys pulling there troops and aid workers.good idea or bad? This message was posted from a T610
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Posted: 2004-07-29 18:14:56
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On 2004-07-29 18:14:56, ADT0079 wrote:
No this is not going anywhere but what political thread does. I would vote for edwards but will not vote for kerry and wont vote for bush so that leaves noone.lets get the thread moving in the right direction. What do u think about all the countrys pulling there troops and aid workers.good idea or bad?

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Good question. Not every country has the same tolerance for risk. I cannot answer the tough questions for other countries - but it cannot be a good thing to hand terrorist any benefit for their actions. The Philippines have many workers in Middle-East countries and it would be devastating to them to have all those workers be cut off from their income so they could come back home because they were afraid of being kidnapped and killed.

But terrorists cannot be negotiated with. How could the actions in Spain have told the terrorists anything but their efforts were fruitful and that if they want something in the future, they can just continue to use terrorism to get it? In free countries it is up to the people to decide, but I have faith that eventually the people of free countries will grow tired of being told what to do by terrorists.
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Posted: 2004-07-29 21:27:24
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We all need oil! It's not only the US and the UK that are dependent on this black gold. The entire world relies on oil for production and daily life. It would be stupid to ignore the need for the Iraqi reserves. Today there was a high ranking oil official in Saudi saying that the future of their oil is uncertain. That is definitely not a good sign.



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