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SE is innovative and lemme tell u the inovations arnt brought out in public very soon cause they have to earn...and dats business
if u know there is pentium 1/2/3/4 centrino etc etc....
but the nasa and other big companies got...pentium upto 16 which works awsome means awsome....but yet not in the market...1 by 1...they releasing it....( according to 1 of the computer engineer whom i had talk to)
so u see innovation iz der all around but...ders certain time to display it!!
another thing iz i lyke se cuz of its richness n itz a quality phone
but yet i cant say its got the best features juzz becuz i use SE everytime nop...m use to se and i love dat brand and iz got name
but features..na na...look at n-gage it is a really fantastic phone if u see in a diff manner as a gaming device which none of the cell phone companies gave a try
look at 7710 its got every connectivity technology which SE highest model p910i dosnt has
look at 6600 a afordable symbain cell phone while SE got k700i and it dosnt rox in front of 6600 whtever it is...the fact iz proved
i say people say dat nokia comes out wid minor changes in every model but there r price changes too... SE shud come up once wid...5-6 cell phones wid..diff...features + diff prices...example k700i + k750i + v800 + k300 + k600 shud b launched at the same time so..people get choice to buy cuz everyone arnt rich to buy cell phones...now...
SE is also smart... they know if they come out with mid range price UIQ cell phone den the demand for P series will be low and cant compete with the big rival nokia communicator. fair enough
conclusion is SE shud come up with mid range but with UIQ version which is less than p series which is very fair enough...deal with cell phone users
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Posted: 2005-04-27 18:00:57
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You are right IndianDawg
But K750i -> W800, very similar phones different marketing different prices,
A similar approach to Nokias method.
But SE are innovative but not mainly in technology, more in design and aesthetics.
T610, work of art. Big screen on small phone, this is the path all other manufacturers started taking.
They lead in design, you will see tonnes of copycats of the T610 and other phones because of how SE redefines handset design.
Technology isnt as easy as design, thats why I think only time will tell SE's skill.
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I just said him, cause I coulndt remember what your nickname was, I dont think I have it right now either
But I believe size isnt an issue, because there are dozens of alternatives which are within the same range, so its not a big jump, the same with the increase in megapixels, because its not that big a jump, the first camera phone was a big jump, AND the first megapixel camera phones, gradually increasing, not that big of a deal.
I know your not a diehard SE Fan, and I know you were just trying to correct me in regards to the N7250 SET610 statement, but it was a miscommunication thing, because I said N7250 was in the same range of size, thats why I dont think the T610s size is innovative. And I tried to correct you correcting me, and our entire argument was based on miscommunication.
For the record I just wanted to close this thread, not to have the final word, just because it was turning into one big flame war, I think we're on the right track now though.
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[ This Message was edited by: Yazan24 on 2005-04-27 17:14 ]
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Posted: 2005-04-27 18:07:39
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Im not going back on my statement, let me clarify what I meant, I mean putting existing technology (which are not usually in handsets) into handsets are innovative ...
But then this would be new technology. A camera is not new technology, a camera that has the ability to make a phone call is. A phone that can make phones calls is not new technology, a phone that can take a picture is.
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by technology, I dont mean to go as precise as memory sticks, lets call it expandable removable memory, and it was already done by Sony,
So in other words what you are saying is that you will pick and choose what constitutes technology so as to fit your argument? The memorysticks Sony used were full sized memorysticks, not the smaller duos, therefore one can argue that it is a new technology. An abacus will perform the same basic function as a calculator, but they are different technologies.
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and the camera feature, putting a camera in a phone was innovative, going to megapixels was slightly innovative, then increasing megapixels less or not innovative.
But then Ericsson never put a camera in a phone though, Sony Ericsosn continued where Sony and Ericsson left off.
Increasing the quality of something can be innovative depending on how it is accomplished. Is a new phone going to have a different sensor? Will it use a new power management system? Will there be a new OS? At a fundamental level all technological advance is improvement over exisitng technology, but we would still describe it as being innovative.
The mobile phone itself is an improvement over the earlier telephone and radio technologies, it isn't a completely new concept. Television is an improvement over radio, the idea of sending information through the air not being anything new. Innovation isn't necessarily a brand new technology, because there is never really any technology, which is completely new, they merely lead on from that, which already exists.
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[ This Message was edited by: scotsboyuk on 2005-04-27 17:42 ]
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Posted: 2005-04-27 18:14:27
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so what you saying Yazan24 is that SE is the most innovative designers?
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Posted: 2005-04-27 18:17:42
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i think
--> very good designers
i love the way they makin u turn the k750 to the side to snap pics...and nice cybershot like menu
also the camera button has been kept on the right side bottom....
makes takin pics very ergonomic and digicam like...
yall get what i mean?
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Posted: 2005-04-27 18:26:39
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@vivek_h yep agree 100%
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Posted: 2005-04-27 18:28:33
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On 2005-04-27 17:53:09, Yazan24 wrote:
Scots:-
Im not going back on my statement, let me clarify what I meant, I mean putting existing technology (which are not usually in handsets) into handsets are innovative ...
But then this would be new technology. A camera is not new technology, a camera that has the ability to make a phone call is. A phone that can make phones calls is not new technology, a phone that can take a picture is.
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by technology, I dont mean to go as precise as memory sticks, lets call it expandable removable memory, and it was already done by Sony,
So in other words what you are saying is that you will pick and choose what constitutes technology so as to fit your argument? The memorysticks Sony used were full sized memorysticks, not the smaller duos, therefore one can argue that it is a new technology. An abacus will perform the same basic function as a calculator, but they are different technologies.
No Im not picking what is innovative and not, I didnt mean memory sticks in particular, I meant "expandable memory as a whole (removable) was done before, and not going into detail as their size etc. I dont think its innovative to reduce the stick size.
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and the camera feature, putting a camera in a phone was innovative, going to megapixels was slightly innovative, then increasing megapixels less or not innovative.
But then Ericsson never put a camera in a phone though, Sony Ericsosn continued where Sony and Ericsson left off.
YES Putting the camera in the phone is innovative, but was it the first camera phone? No it wasnt.
But yes I agree with you the camera phone is an innovative product. But SE werent the first.
S4K1S,
SE are the most innovative Aesthetic designers for handsets, in my opinion, all their phones are way more sleek and sexy than the rest.
VIVEK
Yeah the whole Dual Interface design is the best CAM/PHONE style.
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Posted: 2005-04-27 18:51:35
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inspired by this thread..ive created another of my own....
check it out
http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=90701
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Posted: 2005-04-27 18:55:49
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in the field of innovation i will say samsung is the best
SE has to work hard a lot to be the world's best cell phone company
ask urself what SE provides u than wat other companies not lyke nokia/samsung/LG ?
nokia 7710 beats p910i so lets not talk abt 9500 which has wi-fi
Samsung d600 beats p910i again and d500 was choosed as a the best cell phone of the year by GSM awards
dunno much abt LG but yes it ranks 3rd best cell phone company and den comes SE
innovation has to be seen everywhere... camera / desgin / technical issues
s700i iz a true good SE phone but yet SE bastards made it NON-SYMBIAN phone dats pathetic because s700i won many awards and its truely amazing cell phone i wud loved if it wud be a cell phone lyke p910i...it wud be awsome...
in 1 way SE looks for profit fair enough but ders also 1 thing not REAL satisfaction today if u got any SE cell ur not 100% SATISFIED.
k700i lacks memory slot card
w800i lacks UIQ
k750i lacks UIQ
p900/p910i lacks wi-fi / edge
s700i lacks UIQ
t610/t630 lacks memory
i agree dat none of the cell phone in the world can have everything but here i m asking BASIC need
how can k700i lacks a memory slot card when it supports everything
how can w800i/k750i lacks UIQ when it got features lyke a smartphone
how can p900/p910i lack EDGE forget wi fi when s700i has? and forget s700i a smartphone dosnt has EDGE? rubbish
how can t610/t630 can have only 2mb? wat? 2mb iz enuff for a cell phone which supports polyphonic ringtones/ which has mms + e-mail which consumes lot of mbs / also supports java?
u see having everything but lacking 1 thing makes SE worst
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Posted: 2005-04-27 20:22:43
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how can t610/t630 can have only 2mb? wat? 2mb iz enuff for a cell phone which supports polyphonic ringtones/ which has mms + e-mail which consumes lot of mbs / also supports java?
well ....lemme tell u one thing..
i own a nokia 3100 (yea i kno i kno..its a sad phone ..poor me)..
but its got polyphonic ringtones, mms, email, and also supports java....
and u kno how much memory it got? some 500kB...
yea thats it!!!
2mb is bout 4 times that amount...
when ur phone dont play mp3s, dont have symbian, and dont play vids, ...u dont need much memory....
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Posted: 2005-04-27 21:00:40
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