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@goldenface
Reliability is not the question here. Coverage is. I believe that nationwide 3G coverage in UK is pure utopia.
I'm not saying Vodafone should deploy EDGE (well, I think they should), but they must overcome severe problems of service discontinuity when having intersystem change. Videocall continuity here is the very problem (video call being THE marketed service of 3G... uuuuhh). At least I hope they have some fallback between video and voice up&running (which would be some proprietary solution), else, bye bye.
If service continuity does not exist between GSM/EDGE and 3G in an operator's network having both 3G and GSM there is absolutely no future for 3G because when out of 3G coverage, the service drops. 3G would merely be a hotspot technology. Not quite worth the fuss of it.
Anyway, believe me Vodafone knows this (thats also why they also only offered 3G data cards initially, because intersystem change works well for plain packet data with low delay requirements)
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Posted: 2005-05-11 09:55:00
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As has already been posted, SE is commited to 3G because it is superior to Edge and that is where it predicts its future lays.
Would it be less superior if they would implement both EDGE and WCDMA to the device?
@Orange. I was referreing to the aspects of the technology, not the devices
So what would be the point of UMTS in Europe if Edge is so ready to be implemented?
If billions have been paid out for these 3G licences then they would be wise to recoup this money by promoting 3G otherwise they have wasted an awful lot of money.
Vodafone must think its current 3G network is good enough or else it wouldn't be promoting it so hard.
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Posted: 2005-05-11 10:55:50
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@Orange. I was referreing to the aspects of the technology, not the devices
Same thing from technology point of view: Would the operator/network be less superior, if it has both EDGE and WCDMA implemented?
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So what would be the point of UMTS in Europe if Edge is so ready to be implemented?
As I explained earlier, these two technologies are not competing, but complementary.
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Posted: 2005-05-11 11:12:05
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On 2005-05-10 12:48:00, AYA wrote:
@orange: Again, the answer has been given a long time ago, as Scots has mentioned... We "lesser" mortals usually have no idea of whatz going on behind the scenes.
And what makes this Scots such an übergeek that he can be raised above, as you call, "lesser" mortals?
Not Scots, old boy - read the post again. Seems like you're feeling a little grumpy
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Posted: 2005-05-11 11:22:00
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@Orange. UMTS/WCDMA is 4 times faster than EDGE, so in my eyes it is far superior.
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wants to commit to 3G in Europe then good on them. They are showing they want to lead the way, which can't be a bad thing.
Also, although Edge can utilise existing base stations it DOES cost money in implement. You cant just give people handsets and the Edge speeds are already there. It has to be inplemented, managed and the handsets have to be promoted.
This is extra finance spent implementing something which is already inferior to 3G in terms of what the end user receives. Slower speeds.
Yes we all know 3G coverage is still patchy, just like GSM coverage was a nearly decade ago. But at the end of the day the consumer will receive better quality, quicker download/upload speeds giving rise to more powerful and a wider array of services and applications and more money for the operators.
The end results of this great push for 3G should be well worth the wait.
I understand what you are saying about the two technologies being complimentary, but from a politcal point of view I can see why
would want to commit to 3G.
Whether this is right or wrong is not for us to judge as we do not now what their exact strategy is.
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Posted: 2005-05-11 11:49:37
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@Orange. UMTS/WCDMA is 4 times faster than EDGE, so in my eyes it is far superior.
So if
wants to commit to 3G in Europe then good on them. They are showing they want to lead the way, which can't be a bad thing.
Also, although Edge can utilise existing base stations it DOES cost money in implement. You cant just give people handsets and the Edge speeds are already there. It has to be inplemented, managed and the handsets have to be promoted.
This is extra finance spent implementing something which is already inferior to 3G in terms of what the end user receives. Slower speeds.
Yes we all know 3G coverage is still patchy, just like GSM coverage was a nearly decade ago. But at the end of the day the consumer will receive better quality, quicker download/upload speeds giving rise to more powerful and a wider array of services and applications and more money for the operators.
The end results of this great push for 3G should be well worth the wait.
I understand what you are saying about the two technologies being complimentary, but from a politcal point of view I can see why
would want to commit to 3G.
Whether this is right or wrong is not for us to judge as we do not now what their exact strategy is.
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4 times faster?
Current 3G dual mode handsets have maximum speed of 384kbps.
With my 9300 EDGE handset (class 10) I get a maximum speed of 236kbps.
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Posted: 2005-05-11 12:14:00
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@Super G 3G technology allows the transmission of data well above 2Mbps.
Ericsson has already introduced enhancements to its standard that will enable up to 10Mbps to be transmitted.
In fact this is already used by some mobile users in Japan where 3.5G is on the verge of being rolled out and 12Mpbs upgrades are being prepared.
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Posted: 2005-05-11 12:58:58
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@Orange. UMTS/WCDMA is 4 times faster than EDGE, so in my eyes it is far superior.
You should've read my post more carefully. I said, if device/operator/network have BOTH EDGE and WCDMA, is it less superior than device/operator/network ONLY with WCDMA?
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Posted: 2005-05-11 13:19:03
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On 2005-05-11 11:49:37, goldenface wrote:
@Orange. UMTS/WCDMA is 4 times faster than EDGE, so in my eyes it is far superior.
You should've read my post more carefully. I said, if device/operator/network have BOTH EDGE and WCDMA, is it less superior than device/operator/network ONLY with WCDMA?
I did. I know what you said. But you said that in response to:
On 2005-05-10 16:31, goldenface wrote:
As has already been posted, SE is commited to 3G because it is superior to Edge and that is where it predicts its future lays.
I was simply stating that there may be political reasons why
is not going down the edge road in Europe and that it may be because it views 3G as a superior technology.
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Posted: 2005-05-11 13:32:58
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@Super G 3G technology allows the transmission of data well above 2Mbps.
Ericsson has already introduced enhancements to its standard that will enable up to 10Mbps to be transmitted.
In fact this is already used by some mobile users in Japan where 3.5G is on the verge of being rolled out and 12Mpbs upgrades are being prepared.
I'm not arguing 3G allows higher data rates than EDGE. That's a fact
Release 99 UMTS is supposed to reach up to 2Mbps, in theory. But Release 99 products so far only support up to 384kbps.
HS[D/U]PA will make this 2Mbps upper bound better.
As to 3.9G.... not quite there yet.
Also, EDGE is being evolved further at the moment for good reasons: see e.g.
http://www.nokia.com/nokia/0,,63950,00.html and find the EDGE evolution white paper from there
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Posted: 2005-05-11 14:32:33
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