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goldenface Posts: > 500

Depends where you are I suppose, SE is No2 in the UK and has been increasing market share recently. This quarter will be a tough but Q4 is traditionally the make or break quarter and should be much better.

C905, X1, W902, C902 will all be on the shelves in Q4.
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Posted: 2008-08-03 19:19:07
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Sassho Posts: > 500

New 3 photos added
http://www.flickr.com/photos/andershansen/tags/c905/

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Posted: 2008-08-03 21:54:44
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adcamb Posts: 64


On 2008-08-03 19:11:23, QVGA wrote:

On 2008-08-03 13:44:55, se_dude wrote:
nothing much has changed since last year really. Theres the same N82,Viewty,etc etc. but people still vouch for SE.

Oh you are so wrong boy, so very wrong.


Specifically wrong, but generally right. My friends buy phones without looking at fanboy sites, and almost all of them buy based on gimmicks. Whether the slider and pretty lights of the C902, the dual slider, GPS and camera of the N95, or the little Walkman sliders. I don't think any of them cares about video recording as long as it looks ok on facebook.

When you're selling to the most people, price, novely and gimmicks count more than anything else. The FM transmitter of the W980 will sell and so will the camera of the C905. This phone will be a huge hit and it looks fantastic.
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Posted: 2008-08-04 00:52:11
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_vAmpiRe_ Posts: 84


On 2008-08-04 00:52:11, adcamb wrote:
When you're selling to the most people, price, novely and gimmicks count more than anything else. The FM transmitter of the W980 will sell and so will the camera of the C905.



I think 120fps qvga, 30fps vga or even HD rec are nice gimmics too
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Posted: 2008-08-04 01:38:02
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titus1 Posts: > 500

I don't care bout the video. Its the still photos that count the most. This is where they always draw the line.
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Posted: 2008-08-04 01:41:45
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naveedaziz83 Posts: > 500

it really depends on ur own personal needs

some like to have nice video features, others r just happy with the camera ...
c905 does attract a whole bunch of ppl out there (me including) and im sure will be a great hit .. by the way .. there is nt tht much hype abt innov8 as compared to the c905 ..
ppl r discussing c905 here and there but no mention abt samsung .. thtz my opinion
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Posted: 2008-08-04 02:42:52
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Hiron Posts: 435

I see many contradiction here...

Look at Smape's Prev Here.
Smape CLAIMS that they has latest C905 with final cam module from Sony, but they don't even mention Exmor.
Look at this C905 SAMPLES from Smape.
100% Crop of Smape's C905 (R1AA081):



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Then, visit mobil.idnes.cz
THIS site has a NEWER C905 proto than Smape (The EXIF told us), and this site CLAIMS that their protos using Sony CMOS Exmor Sensor.
Few highlights from mobil.idnes.cz:
"When compared to any dslr,like the a200, the C905 falls flat to the ground- afterall, the chip doesn't MAKE the pictures, the optics do"

"the results still haven't reached the quality we expected- the pictures are pale and a bit foggy. As of now the C905 also has troubles in bright light-the pic gets overburned-usually more towards it's center. And yes - purple fringing is here to stay."

"BUT take a look at the comparison pics taken by coleague c902- the c905 has a vast amount of more details- this must be caused by the chip, beecause the megapixel jump wasn't that prominent. Digital noise is still at large with the c905, but much less than with the c902, so the c905 keeps more details."

"SE has about 2 months to queak this model- fixing color reproduction and hopefully the fogginess aswell, but we can already state that the c905 has a great chance of becoming the best cameraphone to date."

Look at this C905 SAMPLES from mobil.idnes.cz.
100% Crop of newer C905 from mobil.idnes.cz (R1AA083):


Worse image in newer firmware? Purple fringing exists? Hmm... Smape's older proto is better...
All I can say, both of the sites still has OLD C905, but it's still newer than early proto.
Why? C905 newer protos has newer firmware revision (R1BA0xx), and also including geotagging in their EXIF... Both of the sites brought old EXIF.
This non-sense claim makes me confused...

And yeah, why SE doesn't learn from K850's mistake by adding two-layer lens? Although the 2nd layer is a mineral glass for protective purposes, it still would make Lens problem (if you has the protos, you know what I'm talking about.)
K800 has one-layer for focusing, that would give huge advantages. Just look at purple-fringing that C905 has.

And for comparison, see Innov8 samples HERE.
100% Crop:

Who is the winner? Too many rumours around. Please someone makes clear about the cam modules C905 used.




Hiron

[ This Message was edited by: Hiron on 2008-08-04 08:41 ]
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Posted: 2008-08-04 09:29:15
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aremaboy Posts: > 500

@Hiron
You're focusing a lot on this upcoming C905, aren't you?
Your next phone I believe.
I enjoy your 'scientific' analysis here. Really appreciate that. Cheers, mate!
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Posted: 2008-08-04 09:40:00
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se_dude Posts: > 500

The pictures taken by the C905 at Smape's are in cloudy weather. In fact, to be precise, no one really knows what the camera version is really like. It is not Samsung, but Sony, thats for sure. The other site, mobilemania or whatever are probably using a pathetically old proto, like the one that surfaced a few months back, where the whole pic was purple. I have seen enough of the C905s to know that the pic quality is good. And btw, the sensors are not tagged with any brand names. So unless SE directly releases a press statement, no-one will know.
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Posted: 2008-08-04 09:53:17
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Hiron Posts: 435

@aremaboy, LOL, You're right!
That's because my K850i dissappointing me. BROD makes it stay in SE Service Centre since June 6th...

They said will swap it with the new ones, but still no positive news until now (It's almost 2 months, mate!)

I've appreciate my old K750 and K800, but not K850...
Hope C905 would not... Uhm... dissappoint me again...

Btw, gw juga dari negara yang sama dengan kk, (cuma beda pulau sih) wkwkwk...


Salam,


Hiron

[ This Message was edited by: Hiron on 2008-08-04 08:57 ]
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Posted: 2008-08-04 09:54:38
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