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there are many sites to download tons of apps for symbian os or wm, i wouldnt either mess around with my fone, if there is a better and easier way to get what i want
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Posted: 2008-03-26 02:13:19
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@Marc
Its far easier to set up a PAN with WM rather than Symbian. You do have Wi-FI sharing etc.., which I hardly use as we dont have many Wi-FI networks which are accessable in India. I generally set up a bluetooth PAN which takes me less than 3 secs and it took me like 4 days with an M600i lol.
You are confusing with "hardware" power to "OS" power. The only reason Symbian is better at multimedia is because of better hardware at the moment. Does the N95 record h.264 at 30fps? I think the SE was about recording at h.264 at 15fps, not a big issue really, but playback should be at 30fps, anyway thats not the point here. If on identical hardware WM is more powerful. At the moment we're not comapring the X1 to the N95
. The h.264 is NOT a software limitation. If you say that Symbian phones are better at Multimdeia than WM phones, I will wholeheartadly agree with you but saying SYmbian is better than WM in multimedia is nonsense.
You E90 has far less processing power than your first comp even if it was just 60Mhz, I dont suppose you read through my processor posts otherwise you would'nt make that statement. Just because a device has RAM does'nt make it a computer. If you release a computer with the restrictions Symbian has, it'd fail on the market and get booed out of the industry.
Just because the techheads are a minority does'nt mean that our needs should'nt be catered to. And thats why we celebrat the X1
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Posted: 2008-03-26 03:14:22
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NET on the Symbian is worthless imo if theres still going to be symbian signed, its still going to be difficult for the tiny developers. And you're still going to have the restricted APIs
I think you are confusing platform security with capability.
Yes, you can tweak WM in whatever way you want and in this aspect WM is more powerful. But in other area like of OS supported services Symbian has the upperhand - case in point is call recording, profile, multimedia capability and accelerator type capability.
I generally set up a bluetooth PAN which takes me less than 3 secs and it took me like 4 days with an M600i lol.
On S60 it took me a couple of minutes to setup home media streaming (thru upnp + wifi). Does WM support upnp yet? Or how about built-in support of SIP?
If you release a computer with the restrictions Symbian has, it'd fail on the market and get booed out of the industry
This is left to be seen. Symbian signing restriction is bad for people who want cracked software or hackers. On the other hand WM is a haven for these people. But it is very bad for manufacturers/operators who have to pick up the mess when inexperience users brick their phones due to the easily corruptible and unrestricted OS. Because of this some operators only offer WM on their business plan so this restrict the availability and increase ownership cost of WM handsets.
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Posted: 2008-03-26 04:23:46
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WM6 has built in support but for some reason HTC have removed the drivers which are available.
I dont have WiFi, so you could say WM offers more flexibility as I find it quite easy to set up a Bluetooth PAN
. I'm not too dependant on networking and generally use my edge connection for sending recieveing mails so I really cant debate on the networking side of things.
Please read my above post, at accelerator side of things is hardware dependant.
Of course its not left to be seen, how do expect the smaller devs to do anything with Symbian Signed, if I need access I have to shell out my entire life savings on one screwed up licesnce, courtesy SYmbian, which eventuall enters Nokias very large coffers. Sorry mate,thats no what any small time programmer wants. Bottom line I really don care about the manufacturers as I;ve seen how they work from the inside, so lets not go into that. Most of the manufacturers are cheating the end user wheather you like to admit it or not. Do you know why Linux is a hit, no restrictions, imagine the outrage if MS closed down your entire OS, dont give me a "That is yet to be seen" answer because thats bullshit. I irks me that a company is so full of itself that it actually charges for you to write software for ITS platform. Like MS with Visual Basic you have to PAY to develop for them. Symbian signed would be a good thing if all APIs were avaialble free of charge and if you had to run it through SYmbian to make sure it does'nt harm the OS. BUT actually paying for restricted APIs and keeping APIs restricted wtf is that.
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Posted: 2008-03-26 04:34:33
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On 2008-03-26 04:34:33, aksd wrote:
Of course its not left to be seen, how do expect the smaller devs to do anything with Symbian Signed, if I need access I have to shell out my entire life savings on one screwed up licesnce, courtesy SYmbian, which eventuall enters Nokias very large coffers. Sorry mate,thats no what any small time programmer wants. Bottom line I really don care about the manufacturers as I;ve seen how they work from the inside, so lets not go into that. Most of the manufacturers are cheating the end user wheather you like to admit it or not. Do you know why Linux is a hit, no restrictions, imagine the outrage if MS closed down your entire OS, dont give me a "That is yet to be seen" answer because thats bullshit. I irks me that a company is so full of itself that it actually charges for you to write software for ITS platform. Like MS with Visual Basic you have to PAY to develop for them. Symbian signed would be a good thing if all APIs were avaialble free of charge and if you had to run it through SYmbian to make sure it does'nt harm the OS. BUT actually paying for restricted APIs and keeping APIs restricted wtf is that.
spot on aksd. It's not that we expect end users to write their own software. But the more open a system is, the more small developers write freeware, and the more variety of freeware is available. This makes a smartphone more expandable and useful to people who don't want to fork out $30 (or more) for every app they want. This is what has frustrated me about s60. Freeware apps (good ones) are a lot harder to find for s60 than paid for apps. I have (like aksd) sourced a shitload of freeware apps for WM devices. I use about 20 on my device at anyone time, and have about 100 or so that I use from time to time. That represents $3600 worth of programs in Symbian money (where I have to pay for the same thing). So a $1000 N95 would cost me $4600 in total to get the same functionality as my WM device at $1000.
Not good maths imho.
The fact is, much functionality for which WM offers a multitude of freeware solutions has NO freeware at all on the Symbian platform.
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Posted: 2008-03-26 04:45:00
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hard to find apps for free for symbian os? oh pls...
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Posted: 2008-03-26 05:09:11
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You find a lot of powerless apps for Symbian free, not as powerful as the freeware for WM which usually is more powerul than the paid ones.
To go back on topic, WM is planning to announce WM6.1 shortly, April 1 as it stands hope its not an April fools prank lol
http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/[....]-mobile-61-coming-april.phtml.
Once WM6.1 is announced chances of us seeing a few reviews will become more likely.
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Posted: 2008-03-26 05:24:39
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no offence, but the most important apps i use in nokia symbian fones and in my htc, are on the same way powerful and i find "almost" the same apps for both ( sym os and wm )
i am also very interested in wm 6.1, however i am very satisfied with wm6 on my trinity. saw the wm 6.1 roms made by several smart guys, lets see what the original will offer
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Posted: 2008-03-26 06:35:58
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none taken Boba
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But a powerful app for you might not be so powerful for me
. I'm glad you enjoy best of both worlds but sometimes some people might prefer a bit more ease of programming and such. If every phone sutied every one what a boring world this would be
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Posted: 2008-03-26 06:48:16
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@aksd:
Do you know why Linux is a hit, no restrictions, imagine the outrage if MS closed down your entire OS, dont give me a "That is yet to be seen" answer because thats bullshit.
Are we talking about phone OS or some of your other bullsh*t?
The last I saw, symbian is still way in front in terms of device installed/sales.
If you are a programmer then WM is more to your liking as it is hacker friendly. But Symbian priority is to the manufacturers. The signing process is to ensure that no crap or virus software can get onto the device.
There are many freeware for WM but any one of these have the potential to brick your phone. That is a chilling feeling for any WM users looking for 3rd party software.
Symbian ensures that dont happen. It is not surprising that there is less problems with Symbian apps than WM apps.
BUT actually paying for restricted APIs and keeping APIs restricted wtf is that.
You dont have to pay to use the restricted API but you need to pay for the signing process to make your software certified. If you are a freeware developer you can always use the open signed method which is free (but slightly more cumbersome for people using your software)
Please read my above post, at accelerator side of things is hardware dependant.
I am saying even if the WM phone has the accelerator hardware, WM still cannot make use of it.
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Posted: 2008-03-26 09:31:46
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