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Mib there is no need to use words like bullshit here. Grow up.
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Posted: 2008-03-26 10:14:09
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@mib

I thought we were talking about how WM is more comp like than Symbian .

I dont care which manufacturer sells more, seirously if it affects your decision on buying a phone....I dont know what to say

You actually realized that WM is more inclined for a programmer now? Thats what I've been saying for the last few pages and you've been arguing with me about it .

Signing is free if you dont use certain APIs, but some require paymnet.

If the hardware has acceleration WM supports it eg: Dell Axim x51, XDAFlame, iMate 6150/8150, SE X1. Please check your sources on this info as you're totally off the mark. Post this on xda-dev and I'm sure you'll get banned .

@bavlondon

I think I used it first . So i'd call it quits

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[ This Message was edited by: aksd on 2008-03-26 10:39 ]
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Posted: 2008-03-26 11:27:14
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Small but crucial point - that really isn't true. Yes, rogue WM software can cause problems, but if it's really so bad that you're unable to remove the software in the normal way (very unlikely), you can always do a hard reset to return to factory settings, no matter what. Most WM phones come with easy backup solutions to ensure you don't lose anything through the process, either.

Bad software cannot "brick" a WM phone, any more than it can a Symbian device - this is just more misinformation.

[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2008-03-26 11:34 ]
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Posted: 2008-03-26 12:31:05
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Agree. I've never bricked a PPC, and I try all sorts of free software.


Well my experience does not bear this out. Most times I've looked for freeware for s60, that performs the functions I use via freeware on my WM devices, has not been successful. I repeatedly come up with paid options.




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Posted: 2008-03-26 12:51:10
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Does anyone know is this got on screen keyboard.
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Posted: 2008-03-26 12:54:16
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@aksd:



I have been saying this very early on. I am only disagreeing with your view that because of this factor WM is a more capable OS/platform than Symbian which is totally incorrect. If you do a function point count of both WM and Symbian API, it is WM that is playing catch-up.


@Boinng, max

what I meant by brick is the corruption or loss of data / configuration and the effort to bring the phone back to the state before the hang. (I am not saying it cause damage to the hardware ) So there is always the anxiety that the phone will die everytime you install any software (even freeware) in WM. This is the price you pay for "unprotected" OS. I have this same feeling on s60v2 but now with s60v3 I am not worried a bit.



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Posted: 2008-03-26 14:01:47
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@askd

Sorry but from your answers it is evident you really have very little idea of just how powerful or what is actually available for S60.

For instance it is now possible with an app whose name i have forgotten to use your S60 device as a WiFi access point using the devices 3G/HSDPA connection so that a WiFi device such as your Laptop can access the Internet when there is no WiFi available and the speed and bandwidth this offers is far superior to a Bluetooth connection. Or SymSMB 2.0 that gives phone to computer wireless access, computer to phone wireless access, file manager ( file explorer ) maybe you would like to read exactly how good this app is and all the other things it enables a user to achieve as it does so much more than just that

http://shop.my-symbian.com/Pl[....]3&catalog=20&topSectionId=5636

Now please could you explain what this actually means as it seems to just be a contradiction.

"If you say that Symbian phones are better at Multimdeia than WM phones, I will wholeheartadly agree with you but saying SYmbian is better than WM in multimedia is nonsense."

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Posted: 2008-03-26 14:08:03
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@ marc - that kind of functionality is easily available via freeware and tweaks on WM, and yet costs $40 for S60 owners, and is the "only" app of its type - I think that supports a lot of what's being said here.
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Posted: 2008-03-26 14:18:30
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No, there isn't - of course there isn't. Because as with any other computer, you exercise some basic care over what you install. You use basic common sense in selecting your software, just as you would for your PC or Mac at home - that doesn't mean being "anxious" about anything, just sensible.

Do you live in constant fear that anything you install on your computer might destroy it? Of course not, although there is always the possibility that badly written or malicious software could do damage, because the chances are you're running an open OS. The exact same principle applies to WM, because it's also open in the same way.

Here's a thought - why don't home computers run a locked down OS like Symbian, if that's so much safer? Why would you risk everything on your home or work PC, but be so much more protective over a simple phone with much more limited memory (and therefore less to lose)? Why aren't you queing up for an S60 laptop?

[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2008-03-26 13:30 ]
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Posted: 2008-03-26 14:24:24
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@Marc,

I have mentioned that networking is not my strong point and I actually know very little about WiFi access points and the such as we dont have many in India, and networking is not the only factor that judges an OS's performance or power. I use bluetooth only because thats what i have available to me. I have no idea why in your eyes Wi-Fi access points on an OS = a more powerful OS, very strange logic in my opinion. And using the phone as a wifi access poit is availabe for WM as well if thats what you're implying.

Seems like you have trouble reading the eight points I posted. Techincally you seem to know very little on any OS technically speaking.

It may baffle you but hardware is different from software. A Dell Axim X51 PDa is no where less capable than an N95 in multimiedia capabilities that mean WM has the multimiedia power required but its not implememtned on most of the hardware. We ARE comapring OS and not induvidual phones as far as I've understood. If you have'nt implemented 3D acceleration on a WM phone how can YOU claim that Symbian has better multimedia capabilites. Therefore the Symbian device is superior not Symbian as an OS is superior.

@mib

The only reason its more programmer friendly is because its more powerful. Do not confuse powerful with more features, powerful from a programmers point of view. We have more to work iwth making it easier( in the form of APIs) and freedom to program(I'm getting tired of using this term) . We'll we are on the same page at least regarding the programming bit


[ This Message was edited by: aksd on 2008-03-26 13:36 ]
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Posted: 2008-03-26 14:30:17
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