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On 2008-03-26 15:55:40, mib1800 wrote:
I have some inkling that you will post this app.
I hope you know this is a half-a** app. This just illustrate sufficiently why WM is behind Symbian in this aspect. You can clearly see that an app cannot take control of a call because there is no API support unlike symbian. Some comment:-
I mean the greeting is played on the speaker so that it is audiable to the caller. If that is so , then this is really dumb..
and just like everyone else my message was recorded and played on my own phone speaker... how dumb!
Yeah, what's the point of such answering machine app.
LOL! I knew you were expecting this, so reply is ready
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The sound through speaker is hardware implementation issue on many HTC phones such as very sadly the TyTn2 and Crusie etc.., works fine on the Touch and Asus phones and a few others.
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Posted: 2008-03-26 15:58:26
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write me an app or get some one to write me an app using restricted APIs which are totally in the open on WM, you dont need written proof for that.
There are only very few restricted APIs mostly for critical device level access. For example the format drive function or maybe to shutdown the radio. I think for most practical purpose you dont need these APIs (unless of course you are a hacker)
The GIGABYTE G-smart for example, does have answering machine software.
I have seen an O2 Stealth having an answering m/c but this one is built totally outside of WM (like a plug-in app to WM). So you can forget about building a integrated call mananagement app (like the example app I gave on S60) because it is totally not supported.
@aksd
The biggest "danger" anyone faces from most of these "abusive" applications is the need to remove it.
Only if you have the chance.
Sometimes the damage is done when the app is run. So the question is as a end-users, why should we put up with this?
boinng
You're accusing me of being blase about security
Sorry. I think I overstepped here. To non-geek general end-users I was wondering whether the trade-off of not having an app certified but with the capability of unprotected OS is justifiable or not.
Yes, you can be cautious but like I say this is no guarantee with reputable apps as there is no distinction between dangerous APIs or otherwise. There is always pros and cons.
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Posted: 2008-03-26 16:25:47
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@askd
Maybe for programers WM is the dog's dangly bits but they surely make up a a very small percentage of users don't they.
As for going and writing you an app or having anyone do that for why should i need to when i can find anything i want for my device to do it already with out the need or inconvenience to have to bother either writing it myself or getting it done.
But you know what your right WM is the most powerful and advanced OS on the planet and SE make the best and most reliable handsets and the X1 will sell millions and dominate the whole smartphone world NOT.
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Posted: 2008-03-26 19:01:54
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@mib
You've put up a very good technical based argument so far and countered every WM feature I have mentioned with an S60 one, its been a pleasure debating with you
, and it would be naive of me to say I have'nt learnt something from our debates, and we can go on and on with me saying the call recorder works on some handsets and this works on others, WM is installed on far too many different platforms for us to be able to generalize about the implementation.
Yes WM have a few lacking APIs but workarounds have been figured out, Symbian have far more restrecited API especially with memory management which is a set back imo(read soemting about it a long time ago, during ym M600i days), and tiny niggling things such as unable to set up a cache(as far as I know) or a swap like I do on my RoKR E6.
We can agree that each platfrom is unique in its own way catering to different types of users. WM being a lot more programmer powerful, like Linux is more programmer powerful than Windows. The more openeness leads to a lot more work on the platform. It seems some of the memebers here consider features as OS power whcih it definately is'nt.
I'm thinking lets call the debate quits
, but if you'd like to go on I'm game, but eventually we are going to start repeating ourselves.
But phones aside, dont you think when you pay for a device you'd like to install any type of software on it and not what the manufacturer controls, its like democracy and communism
. I'm generally for democracy but I dont have issues with communism(if you're chinese, russian or from some other communist nation
) Each to his own.
@ Dogmann
Your posts amuse me(I will ignore the sarcasm in your post as that actually makes your post quite usless like most of your posts in this thread, mindless arguing without much based on any real understand of an OS, which is what we're talking about.). You somehow relate a technical discussion into a marketing one, one which I have not bothered to talk about except in my intial posts, never did I say it will become a worldwide success, it will experince relative success in the WM world is what I have mentioned and it will happen. I never said it is the most advanced, please do not make mi-informed statements it just brings out how "fanboyish" you are,. SE too do not interst me, DO NOT make me look like a fanboy as I am not one, which most of my posts prove. it is just that I like keeping things in a blanaced point of view, not favouring any OS or manufacturer something that you seem incapable of.
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Posted: 2008-03-26 19:13:28
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@askd
You missed out IMO as that is all your views are as you really don't know that i am a fan of only one OS or manufacturer because as it happens I'm not.
I buy what suits my needs and offers me the best value for my money when i purchase a new device. After 20 odd years of using mainly Ericsson and SE devices only because the M600 was so bad did i feel the need to look elsewhere and have only been using S60 since June 2006.
I have also in that time tried using a TyTN but found i just didn't like it, who knows depending on what new devices come out i may even find myself using an Android device or even the new Garmin Nuvi phone that actually looks a lot like the P9 series but with a 3.5" Touchscreen and it appears no Keyboard.
So please don't tell me what i think as clearly you don't have a clue.
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Posted: 2008-03-26 21:50:58
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here are some wm 6.1 screenshots
http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=167516
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Posted: 2008-03-26 23:27:49
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On 2008-03-26 19:01:54, Dogmann wrote:
But you know what your right WM is the most powerful and advanced OS on the planet and SE make the best and most reliable handsets and the X1 will sell millions and dominate the whole smartphone world NOT.
I hate to step in on someone else's argument, but I never read aksd anywhere saying he thinks SE make the best handsets or that X1 will dominate the world market. This is something you are ASSUMING simply because aksd is arguing some of the benefits of the WM platform.
Please, your title as Best Debater is a joke if you persist on drawing such weak assumptions. Let's keep this thread interesting and not argumentative? So far we've been having a good old time and it would be a shame to descend into recriminations.
We can argue points of logic without making baseless assumptions about fanboyism that just inflame matters.
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Posted: 2008-03-27 02:34:49
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Thank you boba, let's get on with this thread before it's locked
Those screenshots seem top show a more finger friendly interface in WM6.1. This will give some credence to the X1 panels interface. Once you dig down into Windows proper you won't have to pull out the stylus so much.
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Posted: 2008-03-27 02:38:55
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On 2008-03-27 02:38:55, max_wedge wrote:
Thank you boba, let's get on with this thread before it's locked
Those screenshots seem top show a more finger friendly interface in WM6.1. This will give some credence to the X1 panels interface. Once you dig down into Windows proper you won't have to pull out the stylus so much.
Not to worry, I'm not going to bother replying to his pointless aggrivating comments
. Would'nt want the thread to get locked.
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but that interface is only for the smartphone edition
. The Professional edition which is to be used in the X1 has an identical UI to that of WM6.0 except with a few more apps. I have no idea why the wanted to revamp the smartphone UI and not the touch screen one which is aimed at the higher end of the market.
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Posted: 2008-03-27 03:02:51
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I'm not sure, but imho the smartphone UI does need touching up.
The icons in the various screens look bigger which would suit a touchscreen just as well for finger input though. It would be good to have a "classic" option - to turn of WM6.1 UI enhancements, ala the setting in Windows XP that turns off the XP gloss and gives you an Interface identical to Win2k.
One of the disadvantages in terms of touch UI in the 3rd party finger touch shells, for example PointUI, is it's not really a shell but just a fancy third part menu system. It's good but breaks down as soon as you open a WM program or OS utility.
Maybe TouchFLO is a more complete shell replacement, has anyone tried it?
And I wonder if there is any chance X1 will feature it underneath the Panels main screen (if that is, it's a full shell)?
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