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we're hard-pressed to recommend this Xperia Z to anyone who's not a Sony loyalist
I thought Xperia Z had the the highest conversion rate from Samsung and iPhone of any handset to date
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Posted: 2013-07-13 04:21:40
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http://discover.store.sony.com/playmemoriesapps/#overview
https://www.playmemoriescameraapps.com/portal/
sony please make the apps to honami..
picture effect+
bracket pro
time-lapse
cinematic photo
light shaft
motion shot
portrait lighting
as some of them ady on lumia , htc one and s4...
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Posted: 2013-07-13 05:15:45
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supercoolman Posts: > 500
On 2013-07-12 19:01:15, katamari201 wrote:
deleted troll trashing...
I don't see a deal on a phone costs $299 with contract. your logic simply don't make sense at all. trolling like a joker is one thing, but present yourself as a non-sense fool is another thing.
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Posted: 2013-07-13 05:24:56
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On 2013-07-12 14:31:46, Shotokan81 wrote:
On 2013-07-03 12:03:38, Shotokan81 wrote:
Also, I just realised that Honami will get a much faster optical system that Nokia 808:
- Pixel pitch: Honami 1.7 micron, 808: 1.4 micron, so Honami has +47% of Pixel surface, so half a stop is gained here.
- Apperture: Honami F2, 808: F2.4, so about half a stop is gained here as well.
So approximately, there is about one stop gain in Honami compared to 808!!
Did I get something wrong?
I can't wait to see this beast!
So I noted your post Ramu, and I am back with my questionable maths.
I wanted to update this post now that we have the confirmed specs of Nokia EOS. The pixel pitch is smaller than 808, but the aperture is a bit better. How does it compare to Honami rumored specs?
- Pixel pitch: Honami 1.7 micron, EOS: 1.2 micron, so Honami has twice the Pixel surface, so now a full stop is gained here!
- Apperture: Honami F2, EOS: F2.2, so now "only" a third of a stop is gained here.
So approximately, there is about one stop and a third of gain in Honami compared to EOS!!
The question is, how does the toshiba sensor manage noise in low light vs the sony sensor? But with less than half the light reaching the pixel, the fight seems difficult.
And before Razec mentions it
, outside sony tech to increase pixel density without noise, we think that BSI alone should reduce noise about 30% itself, Honami low light sensitivity should crush EOS, 3.5 times more sensitive if toshiba and sony remaining tech is equivalent...
Please feel free to correct me if wrong
You are ignoring oversampling and the enormous pixel density of the Toshiba sensors.. the 808 would never be able to achieve such amazing IQ from 1.4 micron pixels alone
[ This Message was edited by: cu015170 on 2013-07-13 05:05 ]
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Posted: 2013-07-13 06:03:23
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@ katamari
1. your prices does not represent the price in the whole world, here in our country prices are:
HTC ONE 669 USD
S4 590 USD
Xperia Z 523 USD
guess what, Xperia Z is the cheapest of the three and is the only waterproof device in which is very important especially in asia since there are a lot of beaches here, plus dustproofing and waterproofing adds to the phone's durability as well.
2. Even if iPhone costs the same as the Xperia Z, you're still losing when you buy an iPhone, imagine a phone that cannot even send photos or files through bluetooth, something that my 7 year old nokia can easily do, also you can't switch apps on the iphone
you need to close one before you can open another, my old
Hazel which runs J2ME can open multiple java apps
3. Just how much faster is the S4 and HTC one over the Z? Answer is very little, Smartphones are not like computers where you can fully utilize all of it's performance for a single task, and again guess what? use the full processing power of HTC or S4 then see the warning message "low battery" so it might even do you more harm than good to fully use your smartphone's processing power in which I literally don't see any practical usage.
People choose the Xperia Z because they see the practical benefits it would give them, same with the reason you buy another brand because you see it as beneficial to you, Same with old people who knows nothing about technology prefers an iPhone because that's the only thing they can operate, and that they're paying for the convenience because they don't want to learn complicated things on a phone anymore.
[ This Message was edited by: reeflotz on 2013-07-13 05:14 ]
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Posted: 2013-07-13 06:13:50
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On 2013-07-13 06:03:23, cu015170 wrote:
You are ignoring oversampling and the enormous pixel density of the Toshiba sensors.. the 808 would never be able to achieve such amazing IQ from 1.4 micron pixels alone
He's comparing the hardware side of things, oversampling is Nokia's way to artificially create large pixels by combining the smaller ones though software implementation. while it's true that the combined pixels will be larger than anything on the market, the resolution is too low to compare with cameras equipped not only with big ass sensors but also higher pixel count. 3/5/8MP is way too low for a digital camera these days, especially since even compact enthusiasts and ILC are now enjoying 18MP pictures as the minimum resolution and can still outclass the 808 especially at high ISO photography.
let's go back to topic please
[ This Message was edited by: razec on 2013-07-13 06:51 ]
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Posted: 2013-07-13 07:48:27
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On 2013-07-13 06:13:50, reeflotz wrote:
People choose the Xperia Z because they see the practical benefits it would give them, same with the reason you buy another brand because you see it as beneficial to you, Same with old people who knows nothing about technology prefers an iPhone because that's the only thing they can operate, and that they're paying for the convenience because they don't want to learn complicated things on a phone anymore.
[ This Message was edited by: reeflotz on 2013-07-13 05:14 ]
cannot agree more!! but u gotta admit.. this katamari guy always gets me to laugh with his posts... cheers mate!!
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Posted: 2013-07-13 08:02:12
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Hi razec, sorry i thought it was on topic to compare eos and rumored honami specs.
Anyway, i am not sure how the Nokia magic works, but in my simple mind, physically if the numbers of photons reaching a pixel is small, noise level compare to signal is higher for a given tech. Combining pixels in post processing can allow you to average noise but not reduce it, and then it would be false to claim nokia has a 3um pixl size in 8mp, this is not pixel binning as someone highlighted before, so i guess this is a media statement, not a Nokia statement.
Someone here said that the pureview helps getting sharp details and zoom but not improve significantly low light performance. I am interested in low light performance so Honami (on the paper!) seems better suited to my needs than 808, so let alone EOS!
[ This Message was edited by: Shotokan81 on 2013-07-13 07:09 ]
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Posted: 2013-07-13 08:07:53
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High ISO performance on the Honami would be similar to the ones we see on Canon G15 (12MP, 1/1.7") and FujiFilm X20 (same 2/3" EXR sensor using BSI technology) noise levels will be kept low up to ISO400, anything higher than that will be too noisy that the NR starts kicking in to reduce them which results to oil paint like rendering. and yes I think it won't be as good as the RX100 or MKII since those two not only has the sensor size to boot, but also lens (F1.8 max aperture) and a full fledged BIONZ processor.
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Posted: 2013-07-13 08:15:17
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vr-zone claiming to have sources that a Honami mini is in the works and that Honami will be shown at IFA
http://vr-zone.com/articles/e[....]battle-apple-iphone/45121.html
Who knows, maybe they got the info from here but felt I should at least post it.
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Posted: 2013-07-13 09:40:08
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