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Sorry For throwing in Too many FACTS, Would you like me to lie?
Half of USA dont even know WHAT the French gave to USA as a gift of help. Its stands in NEW YORY.
@Dave_UK
Your the sort of guy that wants people to keep there lips closed.
Ever heard of Freedom of speech?
This is the part were im suposed to tell you to "shup up and stay that way" but that would not be freedom of speech would it....?
a Question that i would like to get answered from everyone here is what was the stange object that was attached to the planes that hit WTCs ?
What is was is very hard to answer and prove, but if you can please do so...
What it could have been is what most of you are going to be saying.....
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Posted: 2005-01-24 18:19:40
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@dave, welcome along, I was beginning to feel that the people against all this silliness were in the minority!
Is it just me or do some of these conspiracy theorists work in the same way that religious extremists do - they have their own, rather blinkered view of the world, and despite little or no evidence to back their theories up they still insist they are right, with the most convincing arguement they come up with being 'it's just true - right!?' or bang on about how the CIA or FBI did it.
Yes, it is THEORETICALLY possible on of these organisations did it, but realistically I very, very much doubt it. Can you imagine the backlash and the uproar if someone did 'grass' them up and tell all, complete with evidence? Bush would be impeached, and he and many of his administration would be jailed for life, if not executed. The numbers of people involved would mean that eventually someone would tell all, complete with evidence. It could well finish the US as a superpower - who'd want to deal with a country that deliberately killed over 3,000 of it's own citizens? The risks of the concequences of being found out would be far too much.
Although of course, if someone did try to confess, the wouldn't be believed, unless many other people behing planting bombs or organising this 'attack' did too, and they'd have to have pictures, video, and loads of documents in order to be believed - maybe 9/11 really did happen how they reported it, despite the various biases of most media sources.
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Posted: 2005-01-24 18:29:16
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@M1528A
No, I would not like you to lie. I simply ask that you do not present your own speculation as truth, but instead for what it is - speculation.
I have no problem with freedom of speech, as long as you have no problem with me pointing out the large holes in your theory.
And, again, you still have addressed nothing that has been said by anyone on this thread who doesn't quite see eye-to-eye with you. Why is this? This just means that we are going round in circles rather than progressing the discussion. Maybe that's because you can't make much progress on a discussion where the foundation is speculation, and the facts that are KNOWN point in another direction...?
edit: Hi Sammy,
Yeah, I've been offline for the weekend and come back to lunacy!
I've now resolved, having said my piece, that until something new comes to light, there is very little merit in debating this anymore.
Suffice to say that I entirely agree with you, but I don't anticipate any of our "theorists" seeing the light any time soon!
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Posted: 2005-01-24 18:32:03
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On 2005-01-24 18:19:40, M1528A wrote:
a Question that i would like to get answered from everyone here is what was the stange object that was attached to the planes that hit WTCs ?
What is was is very hard to answer and prove, but if you can please do so...
What it could have been is what most of you are going to be saying.....
It's quite easy to prove what these 'strange objects' underneath the aircraft was:
They're simply the pods that house the undercarriage!
No conspiracy there!
This was taken from a very similar thread to this called
9/11 Conspiracy? it's from about page 21 where the rest of the discussion on these 'pods' can also be found.
Edit: Yet another discussion on the 9/11 attacks can be found
here
This has to be about the most laughable part of this conspiracy theory - and why the hell would you want missile pods on a large, fully fuelled Boeing 757 - surely that would do the job perfectly well without needing missiles!
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Posted: 2005-01-24 18:42:38
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again people seem to think that a building should nt come down without explosives, i am sure that when the trade centres were built in the seventies noone thought about the effects of a huge plane fully ladden with fuel been crashed into them at 400 miles an hours and as a result the plane enters the building and the fuel comes out and burns. fire needs oxygen as well as to burn and fire seeks out the oxygen as a result the fire would have spread all over the building and down the centre which the plans show to be emtpy. with the amount of fuel and oxygen and the closed space its perfectly conservable that the heat would have been enough to damage the internal structure and since the fires started near the top the first bits to burn were the tops and as this gives way so the consetina affect start and the thinks come down.
i would imaging the people around that day were pleased they did come down that way otherwise i dread to think how many more would day.
also if the us did this then can someone answer why as they have managed to get into iraq without blaming anyone involved in 9/11 so why couldnt they have done this for anywhere else they have been or want to go.
until this question is answered then the ideas are nothing more than theories, which i have no problem with people having providing they are prepared to answer question related to there theory. at the end of the day they have to answer the questions as they are the once posing the theories
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Posted: 2005-01-24 18:52:39
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I think the main question we need ask is why would the US go to such lengths to create this conspiracy? There would have been cleaner, easier and cheaper ways to plant evidence that could have achieved the same result.
For example planting more WMD evidence for Iraq. This could have been achieved very easily, and would not require the ludicrous leaps of faith that these conspiracy theories require.
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Posted: 2005-01-24 19:20:12
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@duncan
well said could nt agree more why kill 6000 people, when they could have come up with something far more simple that invovled no lose of us life.
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Posted: 2005-01-24 19:23:50
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I don't anticipate any of our "theorists" seeing the light any time soon!
I don't blame you dave;your one of many millions who have been completely brainwashed by the media and the so called official line,your proberbly also one of many millions around the world that actually believed that saddam was a threat to the world and that he also had WMD's and if that example is being in the light about the events that took place on 9/11 then i think we would all much rather prefer to stay in the dark!
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Posted: 2005-01-24 19:47:39
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On 2005-01-24 19:47:39, axxxr wrote:
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On 2005-01-24 18:32:03, dave_uk wrote:
I don't anticipate any of our "theorists" seeing the light any time soon!
I don't blame you dave;your one of many millions who have been completely brainwashed by the media and the so called official line,your proberbly also one of many millions around the world that actually believed that saddam was a threat to the world and that he also had WMD's and if that example is being in the light about the events that took place on 9/11 then i think we would all much rather prefer to stay in the dark!
so if i dont believe the conspiresy theory then i have been brainwashed. how come i dont believe it and at the same time dont believe saddam had any wmds or was a threat to anyone outside of his own country, does this mean that the brainwashing hasnt worked properly on me, do i need to let someone know so i can get it done properly. i mean i am a tax pay so will probably have contirbuted to this brainwashing so i may as well get my moneys worth
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Posted: 2005-01-24 20:18:31
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Of course the best conspiracy is one that can be neither proved nor disproved! And this is a prime example, for every argument for a conspiracy there is one to disporve it! Well done everyone!
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Posted: 2005-01-24 20:25:38
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