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“Thirdly even if all you say is true then maybe that’s why they come here because of our respect for other cultures.”

That’s true mostly in the larger cities. But maybe if we were all to get alone better the immigrants should try to respect the British culture more to.

I mean there is Muslim only schools which I think is discrimination against others also they are alienating them self’s to there own cultures. If we should learn about there religions and way of life and respect that, they should intern respect the British way of life.

If there were schools for only non-Muslims I’m sure the Muslim population would be up in arms about it, and to right to.

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Posted: 2005-08-08 12:32:08
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They go to London, usa and even here in SA to make a better life for themselves!
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Posted: 2005-08-08 13:07:40
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They should try a little harder to integrate with others rather than others trying to integrate with them. They came here so they should respect our ways, we did'nt ask for most of them!
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Posted: 2005-08-08 13:46:14
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I agree, they alienate themselves to keep their tradition and uphold their beliefs... (well the older ones). Indians, Arabs, and Pakis...

The youngsters do interact rather well in London, better than here in SA!!
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Posted: 2005-08-08 14:06:20
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Have you forgotton about the Old british Raj or is that a something which happened in the past and no one wants to talk about it anymore?...Lets not forget how the british invaded India and enforced their laws on people who didn't want them there..Lets not forget how the British used to stick up sign posts in white areas only in india that read "DOGS AND INDIANS NOT ALLOWED"..Lets not forget how the british raj used to mass murder whole tribes of people because they stood up against illegle british rule...and now you people have a problem because you find muslims want to practice their faith and don't want to mix in society?...what about Hasidic Jews who don't integrate in society and have seperate schools..People just have a problem with muslims and Islam because a few choose to use violence to get their message across..No one blamed the bible or Christianity when the IRA were bombing london..Muslims don't need to do anything which is againt their faith or belief..Islam teached peace and tolerance and if people can't understand that then that is their own problem and prejudice...Non-muslims really need to understand Muslims and Islam and try and find out and resolve all the issues that lead a minority few to go out a commit such crimes..Muslims contribute a lot to british society and without them this country's infrastucture would collapse...the NHS for a start is huge part is run by Muslim doctors and other staff..Im sure some of you here will have a muslm asian GP or Denist...So lets try and show some respect for everyday muslims who are peace loving and are just like you and i want to get on with it.
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Posted: 2005-08-08 14:12:14
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Your right it should not be forgotten but times change. Should we still hate the Germans for their past? No! It’s in the past it wasn’t the Germans of today! So nor should still hate the Middle East or America or the British or any country for there past!

The IRA never really openly acted or said the acted out on behalf of the Christianity or God. The so called “Muslim” terrorist of today does! Although I know what you’re saying.

Yes the Muslim population helps the British economy greatly but they don’t integrate on a friendly level.
This may be aimed more at the older Muslims in the UK who may feel that the non-Muslim person is bad due what they or there parents have been though.
But there are passing this dislike onto there children buy segregating them to Muslim only schools. (The same with the Jews).

How are people from different backgrounds ever going to get alone if they don’t mix?

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Posted: 2005-08-08 14:42:05
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@axxxr

Your other comments not-withstanding, your appraisal of the British Raj, whilst accurate in some respects paints a very one sided picture of events.

First of all it is entirely foolish to judge historical events by modern values. It simply gives an innacurrate picture of the events. One must look at the past using the values of the time period in question.

Secondly, the British Raj did also foster some good too. Religious freedom was, for the most part, respected although Christian missionaries were allowed to try and convert natives. Drainage and transportation systems wer eimproved and medical facilities were marginally improved although access was mostly restricted to wealthier Indians. Security was also improved with less internal strife and infanticide and the Thuggees were largely stamped out.

Thirdly, British rule in India was not illegal at all. By modern standards it would have been of course, but then when Britain took control it acted under the international law of th day.

Fourthly, British rule was not necessarily seen as being bad by many Indians. Certainly the upper classes had a vested interest in maintaining British rule and actively helped the British to run India. After all, there were only ever around a hundred thousand Britons in India to rule more than 300 million Indians. Without Indian cooperation it simply would not have been possible. However, even Ghandi was also a loyal British subject. Whilst Ghandi wanted an independent India he had no wish to see India cut herself off from the rest of the Empire.

Fifthly, the British and Ghandi actively sought to keep India united after independence, but the Muslim faction at the talks was insistent upon a seperate Muslim state. This was despite the Hindus offering to make major concessions.

Sixthly, India inherited the parliamentary system of government from Britain along with a British style civil service. Today India is the world's largest democracy and hasn't gone through the same periods of military dictatorship or religious extremism as Pakistan has. India remains a relatively stable secular democracy.

Whilst the Raj was responsible for some appalling acts such as famines, which killed millions or poor access to medical facilities, it was not a force of evil as it seems fashioble today to portray. It is perhaps telling that its greatest opponent, Ghandi, was also a loyal subject of the Crown and saw inherent goodness in that Empire, which allowed him to achieve his objective of an independent India through peaceful means.

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[ This Message was edited by: scotsboyuk on 2005-08-08 14:02 ]
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Posted: 2005-08-08 14:44:54
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Scots, its Gandhi. Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi.
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Posted: 2005-08-08 14:57:00
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Think Ghandi is a western translation?
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Posted: 2005-08-08 15:00:11
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@whizz

My apologies, although Ghandi seems to be a reasonably common variant used by ignorant Westerners such as myself.
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Posted: 2005-08-08 15:00:36
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