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Well wifi and 3G can be turned of to save battery, but you need the screen.. And if you really wan't to rec good video you shoulde use an cam corder.
The most vital function in a phone is just the "phone" part, that is more vital that it works, and you got battery to make a call than rather use the phone as cam corder.
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Posted: 2008-08-11 18:45:39
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Hmm...904SH has both VGA screen, and VGA recording...and gets two days' standby(well, mine does, anyway
)...from a
900mAh battery!!?!?!?!
And of course, BST33 AND 38 are 950mAh, and there's always 1120mAh BST-40 - it's not like C905 is a 'weightwatcher'......
What were SE Sweden thinking????
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Posted: 2008-08-11 18:47:26
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On 2008-08-11 18:47:26, Aware wrote:
What were SE Sweden thinking????
Stupid question, they weren't thinking.
Or the economical people in the company got the last word, as usual.
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Posted: 2008-08-11 19:00:49
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On 2008-08-11 18:40:31, goldenface wrote:
I think all phone makers are concerned about battery life otherwise we'd all have phones that lasted only half a day and whats the point of that? Carrying a pocketfull of batteries each time you wanted to go on a day out? No thanks.
Damn good point GoldenFace, takes me back to the N95 days, where battery would last, literally half a day - and you had to carry a Charger with you...!!
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Posted: 2008-08-11 19:03:32
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Ah, Alpha san...how long did your SO905iCS battery last then?? More than 0.5 days??
And of course, how many mAh is it(950, IIRR)??
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Posted: 2008-08-11 19:07:09
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Hmm..
VGA screen means larger screen, could be 3.0"
I agree it drains battery life, but why don't use battery that has a larger capacity, just like Xperia?
After I read further, C905 are using the same hardware platform (K800, K850, C902, they're all the same ARM-9 platform.)
ARM-9 has a good battery life with low producing cost, but doesn't fast enough to rec VGA video. Even if you rec QVGA with your K850, the frames can drop below 25fps, while in a paper it states 30fps.
But C905 has optimized A200, that makes it faster and more stable than it's predessor.
That's the art of Copy-Paste strategy
Hiron
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Posted: 2008-08-11 19:08:53
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Whats copy paste in the C905??
Please, if you take this as copy-paste then all phones by every manufacturere is a copy paste. Some people wont appreciate anything, but end up buying the thing they bad mouth the most.
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Posted: 2008-08-11 19:19:58
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@se_dude,
I'm sorry for my generalization things, that's my mistake. But that's not my point, and I just shout their old processor. . .
You right that C905 isn't a WHOLE copy paste.
Furthermore, they've add GPS and Wi-Fi chip. They using bigger camera module. Clearly different hi-quality housing. . .
But the old-processor makes it can't handle VGA video rec, and 16.7M VGA screen.
Maybe SE thought that this old hardware is quite stable, low-cost, doesn't drain battery.
And furthermore, no more R&D required to develop totally revamped hardware. Saving R&D costs, but makes the fanboy shouting. Eldar has already said that the hardware platform doesn't change for 3 years: same old ARM-9, started from W800 and K750 (only branding and firmware things that makes both of this phones different. Copy-paste, can be proved with crossflashing).
But my point, and the problem is, they've already newer hardware: SO905iCS OMAP platform. It's 2-years old platform, but why they INSISTING to use 4-years old ARM9 platform?
It's totally different hardware, faster processor with BRAVIA display chip. OMAP already included dedicated audio DSP chip and dedicated 3D graphic chip.
They could easily starting R&D from SO905iCS, instead of old-outdated ARM-9 platform from K850.
Add a bigger CCD sensor into that folded-lens design, and there we comes, Optical-Zoom. That would be my dreamy C905 with VGA screen and VGA video rec, although again, it's a copy paste from SO905iCS, but not bad because it's quite decent.
SE in the past is full of breathtaking innovation. Consistently different hardware. Just say T68, T610, K700, K750. They're all innovative, with different hardware each other.
Recent SE by Flint lacks in innovation, as pointed by Michell and Eldar. They insisting using old ARM-9, and producing about 20++ different phones. The hardware cost doesn't make a big gap each other, because it based on the same platform.
But they positioning it awkwardly as low, mid and high-end with a big gap of prices. A firmware gimmicks separate all of that ARM-9 phones.
It's not healthy strategy, just like Nokia does. But Nokia doesn't compensate something. SE always compensate some feature, for example, lack of AF just for the sake of branding. Furthermore comparison, old N95 8GB got a new firmware version of Symbian. But will K850 has JP 8.4 and Capuchin? NEVER!
By implementing Capuchin into all A200 phone (in upcoming release of phone firmware version), the flash-based java apps demand could be higher, thus increasing the popularity of Capuchin itself.
If SE says that Capuchin and new JP made exclusively only for high-end, that's nonsense.
It's the same nonsense as SE wrong decision by putting Walkman branding into low-end phone (like W300.) Ironic, isn't it?
The recent walkman and cybershot branding, IMO, is just a waste of R&D investment. Look at C902 and W902. It just the same ARM9, and doubled-up the operating cost. . . Doubled-up mass-producing cost. . . Doubled-up promotion cost. . .
They sacrificing Face-Detection in W902, and sacrificing SensMe in C902. More software minor changes to follow.
Not good strategies anymore. It worked in the past, but not now. Walkman and Cybershot branding in one phone, just imagine!
And by doing this, R&D cost cut to half, simply because they're concentrating to develop and mass-producing one phone, instead of two.
If they still want to make CyberShot and Walkman different, they must using different hardware that has a clear difference each other. For example, dedicated audio DSP only for Walkman.
In my point of view, the phone is not a copy-paste if they has a different hardware platform. Fair enough, isn't it?
It was a relative thing. Every people has a different view and parameters to determine whether relative thing is "yes" or "no".
The lowest parameter: "The phone name is different already, so we couldn't say like it's a WHOLE copy paste.
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I just not satisfied, this is my own rant. But you're right, I would still buy C905, simply because there aren't better imaging solution from SE.
Maybe Samsung has, but since I'm SE fanboy, I would not go anywhere.
I bad-mouthing SE because I love SE. If I doesn't, I simply wouldn't make a post, leave Esato and buy Nokia!
Just like your son, you blamed your son (if they make mistakes) because you love him and take a care, isn't it? You blame it with a hope that your son could come back to the right way. . .
If not, even when your son turnout to be a drunken-broken boy, you would not take care of him
I just dissappointed to C905 that has a reduced expectation compared to the hyped rumours. Then SE latest offering basically the same. See my point? It's just an information, not for debating purposes.
Hiron
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Posted: 2008-08-11 20:00:22
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On 2008-08-11 07:14:58, yea g wrote:
its probably the vga screen res which sucks battery and not so much the vga video and sony ericsson decided theres no point in putting vga video in a phone with a qvga screen. Just like why widescreen video cameras record their videos in widescreen.
So why do you don't see VGA screens on the Nokia's phones that can shoot
VGA@30fps?
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[ This Message was edited by: AbuBasim on 2008-08-11 11:49 ]
Well i was just thinking of resons why sony ericsson would take out vga video. Just trying to contribute
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Posted: 2008-08-12 11:35:48
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On 2008-08-11 18:45:39, tobias84 wrote:
Well wifi and 3G can be turned of to save battery, but you need the screen.. And if you really wan't to rec good video you shoulde use an cam corder.
The most vital function in a phone is just the "phone" part, that is more vital that it works, and you got battery to make a call than rather use the phone as cam corder.
You probably haven't heard of the term "all in one device" and that's probably because to date, SE hasn't got any (refering to today's context). And just so you know, eventhough it may seem that the existence of this "all in one device" is far fetched and something out of a futuristic, star wars-esque sci-fiction movie, it has a really big market here on earth. Have you heard of N95? It's a cool phone from almost 2 years ago with the stupid VGA recording capability. Probably you think that's unimaginable and even unuseful, again because to date SE doesn't have one with such capability in the market. Sheesh!
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