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You got it all wrong in your analogy. It is not a matter of whether a BMW is suitable or not for your grandma.

It is a matter of your grandma being ask to choose a BMW (s60) or a civic (C905) when both are at around the same price. Yeah, your grandma may just need a car to get from point A to B at snail speed, but I think most people in this world ("those" exceptions excluded ) will say your grandma is a fool if she chose the civic and not the bmw.


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Posted: 2008-08-14 14:23:54
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you can't compare pear with banana...

Back to the topic..

Any chance to get this phone end of this month, I real need new phone..

If not I will get W980 before it..
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Posted: 2008-08-14 15:03:41
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@se_dude,
I'm sorry before, what is spoton? Did you mean spontaneous?

I hav heard that Micks has a friend that works as a project manager development in SE Dubai. Micks doesn't work at SE.

I can be wrong though. Could you confirm it, Micks?

As I know, SEMC Japan had already starting to develop 10MP phones since January 2008. But they only planned to release it exclusively for Japan, as Ericsson Sweden Management thougt that 10MP decision are too way ahead and it's better to make some warming-up introduction. Furthermore, C905 project already in half-baked stage, with lower unit costs. So they decide to release C905 as a warming-up. (How they could thought this way? That was I called "compromising something")

All I mentioned above was a company rough progress I know long time ago. Now Komiyama-san take a position, and I heard an instruction to accelerating the development of this 10MP phones, so it can be released in worldwide, ontime next year with a minimum bugs and flaw. As for now, 10MP sensor already finished in hardware (still unusable without camdriver lol), using CMOS matrix again.

I've been little dissappointed, but believe me, even the project manager doesn't hand the final decision, and they quite confuse how the final product would looks like. SE management could decide using CCD, so we can hope for that. About the extra feature it has, couldn't comment further. One of the R&D manager has made a suggestion memo to incorporating Bravia panel with OMAP Platform to C915. But no answer from a management yet. Still unclear.

@mib,
You're right, if BMW and Civic around a same price (assuming BMW is faster and looks more expensive), people would always buy the better one. But to be honest, we are not live in dreamy world. N95 (as BMW) and Nokia 2600 (as Civic) will never sold at the same price. A much better gadget is commonly deserved to be more expensive.

Raider just want to say that we could better to buy a gadget that fits our needs, and more importantly, our budgets. We don't need saving too much to buy N95 if we only make a call and sms. 2600 is a wise choice.

That trends happens in China. Nokia classic 1 and 2 series (with mono display) sells like a hot cakes, mainly because most of them only make a call and texting. That makes Nokia comes to glory. Have you ever seen SE phone with mono display nowadays?

That big low-end market in China most likely attract Komiyama, because low-end device has become one of SE priorities starting some months ago. SE also realize that they develop high-end that isn't not looks like high-end on paper. They started to change.




Hiron

[ This Message was edited by: Hiron on 2008-08-14 14:20 ]
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Posted: 2008-08-14 15:05:41
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the same price for high-end and mid-end solution? well, it's nothing new that people want more in this situation. of course Symbian offers much more that e.g. A200 platform but does this means that I have to choose Symbian in this case? maybe I'm different than others but no, thanks. I will not choose Symbian phone because it have more features/potential which in fact I will not use at all. I don't like to eat more that I can swallow

before someone will say that I don't know what Symbian is... I worked for years as a software developer for mobile phones. I just can't watch at phones any more
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Posted: 2008-08-14 15:08:28
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Lot's of strange reply's here.
And regarding S60 or not... this is C905 topic, go elsewhere please!

I'll check C905 out, but i think it's to fat imo, W902 is a better balanced device, to me that is, i hardly ever use my GPS, and i'm used to sub 15 mm devices.
19mm (C905) will be to much imo.


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Posted: 2008-08-14 15:36:20
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As for now, I'm using the same bulky K850, so I thought it wouldn't be a problem, although I had a tiny fingers

And my K850 has 2.2" screen, so IMO, I would be satisfied with a bigger 2.4" screen. Dunno about the other people opinions.

And one more thing, the build quality is superb, like C902. Once you get it in your hand, you would feel it's not an ordinary phone. Maybe because of it's weight?


Hiron
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Posted: 2008-08-14 15:47:40
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Hey Guys,

I gotta friend at Sony Ericsson, he's a production manager, as well I too have worked for Sony Ericsson, not anymore though, as I do my own stuff now. So i'm quite versed with what goes on at SE and who to talk with to get all the low down going on there ...

As far as leaking info, goes I don't leak all that much, just alittle tid bits here and there, nothing to get worried over. As well, how would Sony Ericsson know who I am over here, since my Alias is quite different from me... hehe ...

Anyhow, my interest in the cyber-shot fones so I keep myself apprised of all the new stuff coming, as far as walkmans, Xperia, etc ... go they are not something I would waste my time with as they don't interest me. So as far as cyber-shot fones go, ... you guys would be kept apprised.

And no, I didn't visualize my dream fone, just to let you know what is coming. And after next yr no one would be able to say anything with regards to SE and there high-end fones and expect better things from the other brands within SE for more.

As well word is going around that 2 cyber-shot fones will come out next yr with optical zoom. As slowly SE will be integrating optical zoom feat. into the cyber-shot line up, and will become clearer in the coming months ... leading upto 2009.

Ciao.

[ This Message was edited by: micks2005 on 2008-08-14 15:58 ]
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Posted: 2008-08-14 16:48:48
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@micks,
Your alias already different. Furthermore, I suggest you to change your location as stated in your member tag. Your friend can be sacked if you get too far (although for your action now, I thought it's quite safe. They needs to hire Sherlock Holmes to reveals you )

Talking about this CyberShot, I thought the management doesn't stated a stereo speaker as a development goal? If that's true, Komiyama-san has a really different vision. Hope it's true.

And regarding C905, I suggest to buy a brown version that released later, rather than black version that released earlier. Can't told you why, because I'm quite unsure about this info too.


Hiron
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Posted: 2008-08-14 17:25:54
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@micks2005

will we see a uiq smartphone this year? flagship for p series?
think the name was Hikaru. someone said it has been cancelled.
whats your idea ?

thanks.
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Posted: 2008-08-14 17:31:44
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Hey ...

Well, as for the new P series or UIQ fone, wait till Sep as every1 has been saying dats the month ...

If however nothing of substance is announced, then either you will see it in Q1 of 2009 or that the whole UIQ would be a done deal and out the door if nothing appears by Q1 so then I'd say don't hold your breath for SE to release a UIQ replacement after Q1 as it wouldn't materialize.

Since like I said my main interest is Cyber-shot and not the other brands. So you will have to wait and see.

There was supposed to be a UIQ ver. of Cyber-shot but that was also cancelled. Next yr however you will see a totally different platform on SE fones, the new A300 or A3 and newer hardware to make things run faster.

Next yr however SE wid regards to Cyber-shot fones will be releasing only 4 models as I have come to know that the branding will be on mid to high end sets only now and you won't find any low end set branded Cyber-shot. You will see 5, 8 and the new 10MP fones branded Cyber-shot of which 2 will have Optical Zoom embedded in them.

However a more clearer picture will come to the fore after Nov...

Ciao.
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Posted: 2008-08-14 19:46:03
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