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@amirprog, @maloqs
I really liked this high-end + flagship theory... it has a lot of Sony fan friendliness...
But really, It might be the correct answer for these conflict reports from multi trusty sources...
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in WMC we might have a high-end device with that AB pinned 800 and maybe FullHD 5.0/5.2" thought I think it might be 5.0... we might have other high-ends in 2H also...
later in mid-year we will have the flagship.. which will be the only flagship for 2014...
Hopefully with 805 and Adreno 420.. maybe 5.2" with 1440p.. along with other goodies...
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Posted: 2014-01-16 15:13:39
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@Xajel
Agreed. this is what i said in other words. it makes the most sense... plus, they just released the z1s in the us.
[ This Message was edited by: amirprog on 2014-01-16 14:32 ]
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Posted: 2014-01-16 15:30:55
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So Z Ultra Wi-Fi is a shoe-in for MWC?
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Posted: 2014-01-16 16:52:54
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supercoolman Posts: > 500
it feels like nodarsixar and nightwing are duplicating on different accounts.
Sony didn't really announce any flagship on CES. Sony will either have to skip MWC or have an independent event for 1H flagship, so the question is whether Sony is going for 1 or 2 flagships per year. timing of SoC will come after that
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Posted: 2014-01-16 17:47:53
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^^^
If Sony want to be successful in their penetration in the smartphone, they should really care about how many flagships and when also...
Imagine that they announced their flagship now in WMC with 800... it will probably released in March ( last month of 1Q14 )... after only 2 months from March, you will start seeing 805 based smartphones, making the 800 flagship isn't ready a flagship...
Then, they will release their second flagship based on 805.. which will make the first one old and obsolete !! not really obsolete but releasing a successor after only 2-3 months from the other will really kill the first.. REALLY !! we're already talking about killing the first flagship in a 6 months cycle like what we already have now Z and Z1.. Z1 basically killed the "flagyshipness" of Z since launch !!
But, when having a WMC high-end with AB pinned 800 as a high-end phone, not a flagship.. then releasing the flagship in Mid-year with 805 to match and compete against other top makers ( Samsung S5, iPhone 6, HTC One or Two or whatever )...
So that WMC announced 800AB based one is still a high-end, not like Z which was released as a flagship then after half year downgraded to be a high-end...
I prefer this plan, WMC for a high-end ( upgrade to Z/Z1, be it Z2 or Z1 Pro or even the international version of Z1s as they tend to have some specific markets with different spec'ed devices ) and then in mid year they'll have the true flagship...
But what makes a phone a high-end from being a flagship ?
1- Naming: If you name it similar to an already exist phone then it will be a high-end.. as it will be like a small upgrade...
2- Spec.: not too much spec. changes from the previews... slight upgrades for sure to justify releasing a new one..
3- Design: A high-end might have the same design language as other high-ends or previews flagship.. but a flagship should distinguish it self by a new design to standoff...
4- Features: New features, adding as much features as they can in new flagship maybe even a different UI.. high-ends tends to be just an upgrade with slight modifications in both hardware and software...
5- Software: Flagships has more priority over all other phones, high-ends or others and the price premium should guarantee even longer software support that other phones.. not to mention faster also.. Flagships tends to have the first and fastest software updates from all other devices the company have.. see how Samsung/HTC upgrade their flagships first then other phones, even previews flagships have more attentions and longer support...
If Sony really want to standoff.. then they need to be serious... from the spec. and software side.. and faster updates Sony with latest Android version is a must.. see how quick now Samsung, HTC, Moto & LG are with their updates !! Note 3 is getting 4.4 already and S4 will follow in a month !!
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Posted: 2014-01-16 18:21:50
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On 2014-01-16 18:21:50, Xajel wrote:
^^^
If Sony want to be successful in their penetration in the smartphone, they should really care about how many flagships and when also...
Imagine that they announced their flagship now in WMC with 800... it will probably released in March ( last month of 1Q14 )... after only 2 months from March, you will start seeing 805 based smartphones, making the 800 flagship isn't ready a flagship...
Then, they will release their second flagship based on 805.. which will make the first one old and obsolete !! not really obsolete but releasing a successor after only 2-3 months from the other will really kill the first.. REALLY !! we're already talking about killing the first flagship in a 6 months cycle like what we already have now Z and Z1.. Z1 basically killed the "flagyshipness" of Z since launch !!
But, when having a WMC high-end with AB pinned 800 as a high-end phone, not a flagship.. then releasing the flagship in Mid-year with 805 to match and compete against other top makers ( Samsung S5, iPhone 6, HTC One or Two or whatever )...
So that WMC announced 800AB based one is still a high-end, not like Z which was released as a flagship then after half year downgraded to be a high-end...
I prefer this plan, WMC for a high-end ( upgrade to Z/Z1, be it Z2 or Z1 Pro or even the international version of Z1s as they tend to have some specific markets with different spec'ed devices ) and then in mid year they'll have the true flagship...
But what makes a phone a high-end from being a flagship ?
1- Naming: If you name it similar to an already exist phone then it will be a high-end.. as it will be like a small upgrade...
2- Spec.: not too much spec. changes from the previews... slight upgrades for sure to justify releasing a new one..
3- Design: A high-end might have the same design language as other high-ends or previews flagship.. but a flagship should distinguish it self by a new design to standoff...
4- Features: New features, adding as much features as they can in new flagship maybe even a different UI.. high-ends tends to be just an upgrade with slight modifications in both hardware and software...
5- Software: Flagships has more priority over all other phones, high-ends or others and the price premium should guarantee even longer software support that other phones.. not to mention faster also.. Flagships tends to have the first and fastest software updates from all other devices the company have.. see how Samsung/HTC upgrade their flagships first then other phones, even previews flagships have more attentions and longer support...
If Sony really want to standoff.. then they need to be serious... from the spec. and software side.. and faster updates Sony with latest Android version is a must.. see how quick now Samsung, HTC, Moto & LG are with their updates !! Note 3 is getting 4.4 already and S4 will follow in a month !!
Like in the 2013 thread, I mentioned plenty of times that consumers do not care about whether it's a 800 or 805 running the phone. They care on the outer image. That's why in advertisements, they only mention "quad core CPU" not SD805 CPU.. And I can gurantee you consumers are not bothered by software updates too. haha
[ This Message was edited by: unknownC151A on 2014-01-16 18:42 ]
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Posted: 2014-01-16 19:01:13
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I think that H1 2014 flagship smartphones will only have SD800AB / AC depend on their sales target and budget.
SD805 will come H2 2014 for devices like successor of Z Ultra and Z1 also up for next Samsung Note and LG G-Flagship.
According to Qualcomm's claim SD805 will have mass shipment around mid-year isn't it or I just misread the news?
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Anyway for Sony, I think they may skipped SD800AB / AC for SD805 in latter half as they mention in new year blog that Z1 will continue as their flagship device which I assume that one flagship per year and upgrade may expect in IFA?
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New SD805 may not have modem integrated again (I only see 8084 chip listed), there could be two chips solutions. one for cpu and one for discrete modem.
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Posted: 2014-01-16 19:04:49
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Id love to pass on the 800/805 altogether.. force Qual to get their shit straight. The only thing these chips have right now is their LTE integration. Id love some Exynos 6 or K1 (Denver)... true flagships (not just company but industry) this year will ship with 4GB of RAM.. and i can
guarantee that samsung will ship with LPDDR4 for the S5. sony is at a disadvantage in terms of samsungs vertical integration, but what can they do.. so on paper 4 > 3.. IRL may not be such a difference but you guys are more than most, aware of industry perceptions... (bezels, and cheap plastic.. not having much to do in the way of a good phone but still an easy target for the chorus of reviews harmonizing the same meaningless points as if they have discovered a cure for cancer)
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Posted: 2014-01-16 20:59:25
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On 2014-01-16 12:38:59, amirprog wrote:
4. sony not announcing any flagship at MWC.
I'd go for option 4 as well...
@itsjustJOH and vikeviki: last page =
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Posted: 2014-01-16 22:30:08
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On 2014-01-16 22:30:08, Detox wrote:
On 2014-01-16 12:38:59, amirprog wrote:
4. sony not announcing any flagship at MWC.
I'd go for option 4 as well...
Would be a pity for me, being my first attendance to MWC as press and all that...
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Posted: 2014-01-16 22:43:54
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