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On 2014-01-16 22:43:54, xell wrote:
On 2014-01-16 22:30:08, Detox wrote:
On 2014-01-16 12:38:59, amirprog wrote:
4. sony not announcing any flagship at MWC.
I'd go for option 4 as well...
Would be a pity for me, being my first attendance to MWC as press and all that...
Where have you been? I've missed you during the annual CES chat
! Regarding MWC, that's somehow or other enviable
. Who are you going with? lumpi2k?
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Posted: 2014-01-16 23:15:50
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On my own, Friday till Wednesday.
Had to work from 6am to 10pm on the 7th, so I couldn't attend.
But let's stay ontopic here and head over to the Chat thread.
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Posted: 2014-01-16 23:25:27
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Im guessing a flagship with the improved s800AB soc and 2k screen for MWC and a phablet (6 inch this time) with 805 for IFA.
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Posted: 2014-01-17 00:32:11
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On 2014-01-16 20:59:25, my ninja wrote:
Id love to pass on the 800/805 altogether.. force Qual to get their shit straight. The only thing these chips have right now is their LTE integration. Id love some Exynos 6 or K1 (Denver)... true flagships (not just company but industry) this year will ship with 4GB of RAM.. and i can guarantee that samsung will ship with LPDDR4 for the S5. sony is at a disadvantage in terms of samsungs vertical integration, but what can they do.. so on paper 4 > 3.. IRL may not be such a difference but you guys are more than most, aware of industry perceptions... (bezels, and cheap plastic.. not having much to do in the way of a good phone but still an easy target for the chorus of reviews harmonizing the same meaningless points as if they have discovered a cure for cancer)
I agree, if SD805 does not have an integrated modem, then in my opinion there's no reason not to go for Denver K1 in Z2/Z2 Ultra. However, I can't believe you just said that Qualcomm needs to get their shit straight and then suggested Exynos 6. Qualcomm needs a new CPU, but the rest of the SoC is pretty solid. Exynos, on the other hand, is under-powered, runs too hot, and has a screwed-up big.LITTLE implementation. Samsung really screwed the pooch last year with Exynos, and they've got their work cut out for them this year if they want to catch up.
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Posted: 2014-01-17 05:32:41
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^^ i did, lol. Samsung needs to get their shit straight too. but they are playing a slightly different game... my assumption is that the Exy6 will be an A57.53 b.L implementation (64bit ARMv8A).. the Exy5 (10 and 20) wasnt all that bad if you understood what it was... technically and functionally for the S4, im of the mind that it was a better CPU than the S800 (but it was rushed and broken, the 10 more so than the 20 which never dropped for a samsung device).. but as a SoC not so much, too many drawbacks (still would have been the SoC i would have gotten for that device though, had they not shortchanged the storage capacity).. the main strengths for Q being the LTE integration (flawless) and the battery usage for mobile (second to none) which to be fair are pillars that cannot be fuct with in this industry, which is why they are market leaders. however i like shiny new CPUs that do more regardless of how long the battery lasts.. I am in the niche.. thats fine. still with the 805 Q has either left the window open for another company.. right now K1.Denver is a stronger chip than the 805 but still lacks the LTE (a shot in the foot so to speak, let alone the battery usage) and IF Sammy drops the Exy6 as an A57.53 it will be paired with memory that Q's arch cannot handle (LPDDR4 @ 4GB 3200Mb/s per pin) the expectation however is that they will have a dual variant release with both chipsets.. the overclockers will have a field day.. or Q is asserting their leadership and dictating the direction/speed of the industry.. that in this business usually lasts for one cycle (6 mos). so like i said if nvidia or sammy catch up (allowing sammy to get out from under using Q SoC) it doesnt bode well for their continued dominance. even then though, sammy cannot fab chips at the level Q can supply.. it creates an interesting situation this year. Q clearly dropped the ball and apple caught them out with the A7.. and sammy is skipping a whole node to reinforce their business model. so 2014 is not a usual year where everyone is on the same page.. its an opportunity, im glad to see there are a lot of players calling the big blind... MWC and the private ancillary events will be fun. Sony will be using either a 800 or 805 so heres hoping that it isnt too far off the pace.
on apersonal note, i like what ive read about denver which is dual core better/stronger use of the die area available as opposed to just throwing more cores in.. 2H14/1H15 we will find out who made the better IPC.W decisions..
[ This Message was edited by: my ninja on 2014-01-17 06:31 ]
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Posted: 2014-01-17 07:01:32
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Qualcomm not only leading in mobile cpu space but leading in mobile modem technology as well. The fastest LTE-Advanced modem (cat6 = 300Mbps) will make it debut with SD805 and this modem I believe most likely find it way to 2014 Apple's top shelves product line-up.
End game of argument, why manufacturers need to buy a separated part from two suppliers.
FYI, Nvidia also has their Icera modem team but I don't have any idea about it.
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It would fun to see if Samsung will get their shit together this time and not mess up like their Exynos 5 family.
For me, most likely yes when look at their new information about new Exynos 5620. It's still ARMv7 but this time HMP is included and also rumor same chip will make it debut in LTE market as well not Qualcomm as usual. It make me wonder that who is behind in LTE modem supplier for them.
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Here we go again, Exynos 5410/20 is better than SD800, bullshit I will not waste my time for you again. too much bullshit we all know it didn't happen in reality. only your drawing board of wishlist.
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Posted: 2014-01-17 07:17:00
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cat 6 LTEA... is futureproofing which is glorious.. however i would be more interested if they got cat 4 to a lower power rating.
nvidia is marching to their own drummer, they need to convince more than themselves that their chipset is worth it.. shield is cute, but no one cares (sadly)
the 5420 i feel is a better chip than the one on the S800.. just an opinion. it never released for a reason and the S800 did and sold millions upon millions so the proof is in the pudding, like you said. but there are other things to consider... the commercial failure of the Exy5 did nothing to stop samsung making another chip or SoC, or the lessons learned which should considered. they still use sony CMOS while R&D and manufacturing their own ISOCELL.. our previous discussion devolved based on a mutual misunderstanding.. 2014 is a different year, and for all i know the past could be prologue to this year.. i hope not, because i want something more than faster LTE which no one on the planet provides.. but because it doesnt benefit me now doesnt mean it shouldnt be added at all.. because one day it will be useful. but if i had a choice between CAT6 and 64bit... it would be for 4GB of faster more efficient ram as opposed to 3.
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Posted: 2014-01-17 07:42:33
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On 2014-01-17 00:32:11, motvikt wrote:
Im guessing a flagship with the improved s800AB soc and 2k screen for MWC and a phablet (6 inch this time) with 805 for IFA.
This.
But I think Sony shouldn't abandon 6.4". What they should do is have a successor to that, but also have a device with a 5.8" screen or so. If they don't go for two devices, and they want to actually shift units, then 6" would be best.
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Posted: 2014-01-17 09:34:53
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AUO 6" 2560x1440 WQHD panel. 500 PPI LTPS AHVA panel
http://www.auo.com/?sn=21&lang=zh-TW&c=2&n=1568
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Posted: 2014-01-17 09:51:13
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6.4" is a good size and is ahead of the curve.
In my opinion it's the 7" size which is neither here nor there, I cannot see how such a size has lasted so long in the market place. It should always have been slightly larger at 8" and/or slightly smaller with 'phone' type thin bezels at 6-6.5" (like Z Ultra).
I think Sony hoped Z Ultra could take on the Note and the 7" market at the same time, and it should have been able to. only Sony didn't gamble on a big marketing campaign and so it went relatively unnoticed.
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Posted: 2014-01-17 13:10:53
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