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On 2005-04-28 10:21:31, bart wrote:
how many CEO's know what ericsson had ready? how many CEO's know that the P800 mainly comes from ericsson?
SE's P910 is loved by bussinespeople and for that reason the see SE as an innovative company, those's CEO's don't know whats really going on.
But Bart NOBODY is saying the P800 doesn't come from Ericsson. WHO is saying the P800 doesn't come from Ericsson?
Who?
Name one person?
Go on? Just one.
One little person?
The discussion is "Sony Ericsson have never been innovative". Not "The P800 doesn't come from Ericsson".
UNLESS you know MORE than all those CEO,s who head multinational corporations, who know more about business than most. Oh no, wait I'm sorry. Your now going to tell me they all live a dream world!!!
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Posted: 2005-04-28 11:16:25
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such a reply is normal, most of us here don't know each other.
i'm not saying i know more then those CEO's, i've just got a good vieuw on things, and it hasn't let me down yet.
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Posted: 2005-04-28 12:06:28
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On 2005-04-27 18:51:35, Yazan24 wrote:
No Im not picking what is innovative and not, I didnt mean memory sticks in particular, I meant "expandable memory as a whole (removable) was done before, and not going into detail as their size etc. I dont think its innovative to reduce the stick size.
Why not? It isn't innovative to find a new technique or develop new methods that allow one to make something smaller and yet contain more memory? What exactly is that then? An improvemnent? As I demonstarted before, innovation, at heart, is nothing more than improvement.
If we take it to an extreme then expandable memory within mobile phones is not innovative at all if one considers the Sony Walkman for example. Here we see a portable electronic device with removeable storage.
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YES Putting the camera in the phone is innovative, but was it the first camera phone? No it wasnt.
But yes I agree with you the camera phone is an innovative product. But SE werent the first.
Does that make them less innovative? If SE's first integrated cameraphone had other features that other cameraphones didn't have then isn't that innovative?
Again I am left wondering what your point is. You seem to be saying that SE isn't technologically innovative, yet your standards for innovation don't appear focused or coherent enough to actually support that assertion.
What we are left with then is your appraisal of SE as being technologically lacking in terms of innovation. Because you consider nothing other than what is completely new e.g. inclusion of a cameraphone as being innovative you then disregard the real innovation, which is the improvement and increase in quality of such features.
All the manufacturers can include a camera in a handset, yet how many of them have the innovative skills to be able to include a really good camera? How many of them innovate to include a Zeiss lens? How many of them innovate to include a lens protector?
The initial technology i.e. the camera isn't necessarily the innovative component. A camera is just a camera, they have been used for well over a century. Bluetooth isn't innovative in itself either, it is just a use of electromagnetic radiation to transmit data, something, which has been in use for decades. The innovation comes in the surrounding applications and ideas that go along with these technologies. I don't think the inclusion of a camera in a mobile phone was particuarly innovative, but I do think the inclusion of a camera with various supporting features that doesn't place a huge drain on battery power is.
To ignore the underlying fundamentals of the technology employed is to ignore the real innovation that takes place. Focusing on the 'big hitters' is an exercise in futility because they provide very little in the way of actual innovative ability and they are so few and far between that they completely negate the case for any sort of innovation at all.
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Posted: 2005-04-28 13:26:38
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Surely a smaller jump is considered less innovative than a leap in technology, so upgrading from 1.3->2 MP isnt the same technological advance as putting a cam in a phone for the first time.
The memory stick duo isnt a new way of storing, its just a new casing, it incorporates the same existing technology, or most of the existing technology, and doesnt introduce many new things to the table, and is hence considered less or not innovative, since it doesnt introduce anything technologically ground breaking like the first removable memory modules.
This is the same with increase in quality, nothing new is being introduced, existing technology is just being tweaked and perfected, and hence nothing technologically more advanced than the rest is being introduced, an existing technology is improved.
And Yes I would call them Improvements not innovations.
An innovation can also be taking an existing GENERAL product that is innovative in its own field, implementing it in another field.
I dont mean memory sticks -> Duo, by general I refer to them as their purpose, expandable removable memory.
Camera, not as 3MP not as CMOS or CCD sensors, as cameras.
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Posted: 2005-04-28 13:45:03
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@bart
Ericsson never released their prototype. P800 is released as a SE phone. So that for you must see it as a SE phone.
SE is 50% Ericsson 50% Sony .. P800 is not 100% a Ericsson phone. Prototype had Buttons + joystick and no jogdial.
Stop this.. oh it's Ericsson .. oh it's Ericsson .. it's silly.
NVIDIA use lots of technologies on GF6XXX from 3dfx, do you say .. oh it's a 3dfx card? I hope u don't.
So see it for what it is, a phone released by SE and forget the Ericsson prototypes, it's in the past.
If Sony had bought Ericssons mobile department, then ok... I would also say the same as you, that P800 is a Ericsson phone. But that didn't happen, they merged forces and release phones under the name SE.
(P800 is not a IBM Deskstar with a Hitachi label on it)
On some phones Sony influence more on others Ericsson.
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Posted: 2005-04-28 14:58:53
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On 2005-04-28 13:45:03, Yazan24 wrote:
And Yes I would call them Improvements not innovations.
An innovation can also be taking an existing GENERAL product that is innovative in its own field, implementing it in another field.
I dont mean memory sticks -> Duo, by general I refer to them as their purpose, expandable removable memory.
Camera, not as 3MP not as CMOS or CCD sensors, as cameras.
according to ur considerations...bout referrin to things as their purpose....
phones with anythign on them...are still phones..
whatever u add to them, be it bluetooth, be it motion detection, be it anythign at all...is a mere improvement to the phone....
lets refer to things as their purpose......they are all phones, and everyones is improvin each other..
noones innovating anything....
i think in the end, we gonna forget to add the ability to make calls to a cell, and only add all kinds gizmos to it...cause thats what everyone gives a shit about these days anyway
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Posted: 2005-04-28 15:31:02
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Whats wrong with similair phones?
So you want every phone to be produced without using any parts from other phones. Jaguar cars have many Ford Mondeo parts in them, yet are they crap cars? Of course not! Highly regarded!
Sony Ericsson are very innovative. Would you rather the K750 and W800 not be similair, i.e. the W800 have no camera or have a worse camera?
There are significant differences between the two phones and yet again i have to tell you to stop blabbing and go and research and read specs etc. before you post up such nonsense!
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Posted: 2005-04-28 17:37:36
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yep
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Posted: 2005-04-28 17:42:25
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Yazan24, i didn't know you wrote the dictionary!
Have you actually READ the dictionary defenition? You would call improvements improvements but innovation can also mean improvement to something already created to make it more innovative.
This is pathetic. Sorry, but it really is.
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Posted: 2005-04-28 17:58:44
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On 2005-04-28 13:45:03, Yazan24 wrote:
Surely a smaller jump is considered less innovative than a leap in technology, so upgrading from 1.3->2 MP isnt the same technological advance as putting a cam in a phone for the first time.
*cough*Monochrome pixel display -> 16 Color pixel display *cough*
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Posted: 2005-04-28 18:04:26
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