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blerk Posts: > 500

I can force the flash off if thats what you mean, but then it cant seem to focus too Also the macro shots are quite blurry compared to the C702. It's not a big deal or something, just strikes me as strange. Having both devices side by side its so much easier to take very close macro shots with the C702 than the C902. The C702 seems faster/easier to focus and the pictures are much sharper. Just took another macro of those little stickers you get on laptops, about 1x1cm in size.



I'm not here to diss the C902, just trying to figure out what is going on. On the example above (which I jsut took 5 mins ago) both phones focus fine and I see a green rectangle, my hand is steady enough, I will even use a tripod later with some bluetack to be sure

Edit: Just took the same picture as above with the C902 on a tripod + timer, still blurry results. I did not touch it and we had no mini earth quake.
[ This Message was edited by: blerk on 2009-04-29 16:27 ]

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Posted: 2009-04-29 17:12:43
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number1 Posts: > 500

Is the C702 using a modded camdriver??? , if your using 1 i created or helped create then i did change pretty much the whole focusing property,
The C902's pic does look a little bit shaked which is werid as the C702 uses longer shutter speeds due to it's smaller aperature, so if you can hold the C702 still the C902 should be no problem, also remember the C902 has stronger processing so the C702 pic will be more detailed & sharper.
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Posted: 2009-04-29 17:21:13
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plankgatan Posts: > 500

???? blerk, why does that c902 picture looks out of focus in some way...both pics have same among of noise but its just c702 who have accurate focus....thats fu##ed up).

besides, im not sure what you looking for ???? c702 doesn't have a chance against c902 my friend, (c702 quality is often way to blurred)
[ This Message was edited by: plankgatan on 2009-04-29 16:35 ]

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Posted: 2009-04-29 17:27:46
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blerk Posts: > 500

All stock drivers. Outside macro's are fine though, just inside its a whole different story when there's less light, not really low light, just less. I've did a little shoot-out in my garden earlier today. Need to find a way to display those nicely for easy comparing. I'll open a N95 vs C902 vs C702 vs FS5 for it when it's ready

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Plankgatan, I'm looking for a sharp indoor macro picture with less than optimal light. The C702 can pull it off, why can't the C902? I'm just wondering why I can't get a nice "sharp" image of the same subject with the C902 as I can with the C702. It is nothing more than curiosity on my part.

As for the C702 is often too blurred I have no experience with that, nor have I seen any examples of such a thing, I know nothing beats your C902
[ This Message was edited by: blerk on 2009-04-29 16:34 ]

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Posted: 2009-04-29 17:30:12
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number1 Posts: > 500

Your C902 isn't faulty otherwise it would be like that all the time even in full light, the C702 probley just has better auto-focus in lower light than the C902, the C902 & C702 do have very different focus properities in there drivers.
As for plankgatan's comment the C702 has no chance against the C902 just check the red colour on that pic.
Fullsized pics & 100% crops would be good in your comparasion.
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Posted: 2009-04-29 17:34:05
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10123 Posts: > 500


On 2009-04-29 17:12:43, blerk wrote:
I can force the flash off if thats what you mean, but then it cant seem to focus too Also the macro shots are quite blurry compared to the C702. It's not a big deal or something, just strikes me as strange. Having both devices side by side its so much easier to take very close macro shots with the C702 than the C902. The C702 seems faster/easier to focus and the pictures are much sharper. Just took another macro of those little stickers you get on laptops, about 1x1cm in size.



I'm not here to diss the C902, just trying to figure out what is going on. On the example above (which I jsut took 5 mins ago) both phones focus fine and I see a green rectangle, my hand is steady enough, I will even use a tripod later with some bluetack to be sure

Edit: Just took the same picture as above with the C902 on a tripod + timer, still blurry results. I did not touch it and we had no mini earth quake.
[ This Message was edited by: blerk on 2009-04-29 16:27 ]



Closeups do look very blurry on the c902, you wont be able to change that, macro shots from around 15cm distance look good, but real closeups look very poor. I at first assumed blurry close up shots were the norm for didgital cameras, but your pics prove otherwise
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Posted: 2009-04-29 17:35:18
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plankgatan Posts: > 500

??? oh my, one more time). THAT C902 PICTURE IS NOT SHOT WITH STEADY HANDS (or whatever), its out of focus,(quite easy to see).

with a bit photo skills, you can improve the quality quite much.......
this IS proper Focus, (no shaky hands, etc ).....
ImageandvideohostingbyTinyPic
full size......
http://www.esato.com/phonephotos/viewphotos.php?pid=18759

100% crop

[ This Message was edited by: plankgatan on 2009-04-29 16:50 ]

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Posted: 2009-04-29 17:42:17
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10123 Posts: > 500


On 2009-04-29 17:42:17, plankgatan wrote:
??? oh my, one more time). THAT C902 PICTURE IS NOT SHOT WITH STEADY HANDS (or whatever), its out of focus,(quite easy to see).

here when you hold the phone steady....this IS proper Focus...
ImageandvideohostingbyTinyPic
full size......
http://www.esato.com/phonephotos/viewphotos.php?pid=18759

100% crop

[ This Message was edited by: plankgatan on 2009-04-29 16:46 ]




Im quite sure your pc/laptop has the windows stickers on etc, please can you take a shot and from 2-5cm distance to prove us wrong ??

Eidt: And from the same angle
[ This Message was edited by: 10123 on 2009-04-29 16:51 ]

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Posted: 2009-04-29 17:48:23
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blerk Posts: > 500

100% crops:



Full size:
C702: http://www.esato.com/phonephotos/viewfullsize.php?id=19403
C902: http://www.esato.com/phonephotos/viewfullsize.php?id=19404

I'm sure if the C902 auto focus thingy can be modified for macro shots it will out do the C702.

Anyone else with a C902 and a laptop with the tiny 1x1cm stickers wanna have a go?
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Posted: 2009-04-29 17:52:11
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blerk Posts: > 500

@Plankgatan
My hands are steady and fine, I even tried taking the shot with a little tripod. The crux here is lighting. Your example is taken with a lot of light/direct sunlight.

The pictures look out of focus because they are, but the C902 is satisfied it's in focus hence its little beep when I take the shot.
[ This Message was edited by: blerk on 2009-04-29 16:57 ]

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Posted: 2009-04-29 17:56:49
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