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On 2005-10-17 20:07:02, solidsingh wrote:
theres a conspiracy theory that america have technology to change the weather and that they caused the pakistan earthquake
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Posted: 2005-10-17 23:10:06
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On 2005-10-17 20:07:02, solidsingh wrote:
theres a conspiracy theory that america have technology to change the weather and that they caused the pakistan earthquake
some people have colour imaginations
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Posted: 2005-10-17 23:18:09
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not saying i believe it, jus wat a few people told me
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Posted: 2005-10-18 00:20:19
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It's not completley true saying that natural events such as earthquakes etc are COMPLETLEY down to god... I mean if it wasn't for us emiting our toxic gasses, and the way we produce waste and live our lifes etc ...scientists say that we'd be in an ice age right now.
We are all unconciously contributing to most of what is going on...
Hey... lets not throw the "Conspiracies" completley out of the window... I know they're hard to belive but take for instance:
The army has had the technology to have small batteries to last years on end for a long time ... however we appear to have the "newest" technology in which we can use our batteries in consumer products for only days on end. This is new technology hasnt been revealed for a reason (people would only need to buy 1 set of batteries to last for great length of times putting compaines out of business as they won't sell as many) and reasons such like.
So not everything that is currently achieveable is made public... it's for a reason.
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Posted: 2005-10-18 00:42:54
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Verse 13 from Chapter 10 states:
Generations before you We destroyed when they did wrong: their apostles came to them with clear-signs, but they would not believe! thus do We requite those who sin!
The above verse tells us what happened to the people before us, they stopped following their messenger and then Almighty Allah destroyed them. In this is a lesson for the world today - If you do not follow his messenger and his commandments the wait for the punishment which today we see happening every few months. May Allah save us all from his wrath and punishment, Amen.
Verses 21 and 22 from Chapter 40 states:
Do they not travel through the earth and see what was the End of those before them? They were even superior to them in strength, and in the traces they have left in the land: but Allah did call them to account for their sins, and none had they to defend them against Allah.
That was because there came to them their apostles with Clear Signs, but they rejected them: So Allah called them to account: for He is Full of Strength, Strict in Punishment.
Beware of his punishment people, he can destroy a whole country in a matter of minutes, he can punish thousands of lives in seconds, he says 'Be' and its done.
Many of you may think i am talking rubbish here, but just think for a second of the recent events which are before us. Some say 'mother nature' did it, what is mother nature? It's God almighty who decides what happens on his earth and he punishes whom he wishes and forgives whom he wishes.
If he can cause earthquakes, tsunamis, hurricanes and tornados in far parts of the earth - he is definately capable of doing the same here in th UK if he wishes. The earthquake that has just happened is a wake up call for mankind, take heed from what happens before it's too late.
May Almighty Allah forgive us all and guide us on the straight path. Amen.
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Posted: 2005-10-18 00:54:48
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So your saying the earthquakes in Pakistan/India etc. WAS a punishment or COULD HAVE BEEN a punishment?
If you think is WAS can you say why? I mean in my eyes they haven't really done much wrong... but then regretfully I haven't followed much about the countries and their politics.
Or was that area hit, as a punishment to the way WE behave in our countries? If this is the case, then should WE ourselfs have been punished and OUR countries destroyed? As it would be wrong to punish the innocent.
Sorry, i'm just trying to figure out what your trying to say...
PS: i'm not trying to argue... just genuinly interested
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Posted: 2005-10-18 01:09:19
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@Peter
It's interesting that you should attribute such events to God. How would a Muslim interpret such events? For example, in saying that natural disaster may be punishment for mankind's actions, how would that fit in with the deaths of innocents because of those natural disasters?
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Posted: 2005-10-18 03:49:00
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Don't be offended by this PK but that last post makes you look like some sort of street preacher with a "Look at me i'm right, you're not" attitude.
I certainly wouldn't attribute earth quakes to your god. I grew up in a region that constantly had earthquakes, surely 1 of the 80000 people there had a good bone in their body.
If however your god is all the bad things then it must be every single natural phenomenon known. Gavity, light, wind, rain, the conversion process of water into snow, o-zone, barametric pressure etc.
If you'd said it was your opinion that those things are its doing then I'd have just shrugged it off, but that's not how your post reads imo.
Isn't paganism built around the fact that "mother nature" is god?
Surely if such huge disasters are "Gods Wrath" then what counts as his reward? A sunny day at the beach? Just being allowed to live? I'm sorry that I cannot buy at all.
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Posted: 2005-10-18 04:34:36
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@Gigs
An interesting point, as I mentioned in my own post I wonder how the deaths of those who are good can be reconciled with the view of such events as being divine wrath.
The Tao Te Ching says of Nature:
Quote:Nature is not kind;
It treats all things impartially.
I hold to this view, Nature is indeed impartial, it will not stop the lion from killing nor will it prevent the lion from eventually dying itself. An earthquake can kill thousands of people, some of whom may be saints and some of whom may be terrorists; if it is there time to die then Nature does not dinstinguish between them.
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Posted: 2005-10-18 05:24:35
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from a christian perspective, all human sufferring stems from the "original sin" resulting in adam and eve's expulsion from the garden of eden. human kind was originally intended to live without suffering, but by taking the path of satan (i.e. eating the forbidden fruit) adam and eve allowed pain and death into their lives. hence, we are all inheritors of that legacy.
another christian philosophy is that earthly or wordly suffering is transitory compared with the joy of eternal life in heaven.
Why does God allow people to suffer?
i'm not saying i buy it all, but it's
one christian perspective that tries to offer a variety of rationales based on interpreting biblical passages. it should be noted that the bible does not really give explicit reasons why suffering is allowed to continue, but frequently the suffering of others is used as an object lesson to instill piety and righteousness in the audience.
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@scots: it's interesting to note that the human race is rarely humble. when we become vicitims of a natural disaster we tend to blame anyone and anything but ourselves, whereas the real fault often lies in our choice of location. for instance, the catastrophe of hurricane katrina was inevitable but nobody would ever have considered moving somewhere safe, preferring to believe "it won't happen to us". i'm not familiar with the seismic character of pakistan, but i suspect it wasn't the first earthquake to ever occur there.
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Posted: 2005-10-18 05:30:20
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