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Im sure this phone will be good and it looks good. But why after so so long other manufacturers have raced with regards to video recording when SE still lags behind. Nokia LG Samsung all have made dozens of phones with VGA recording but why not SE. With Sony behind them whats the delay. It would be great to see one day.
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Posted: 2008-08-19 15:36:00
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On 2008-08-19 14:06:52, shyam335 wrote:
Dont blame arm,its the fault of se (or their platform).
arm IS the platform
That's the point. They need to update their platform before they can support arm. And that's an expensive process. I think SE strategy these days is to not be on the forefront and just make phones that the average person will buy rather than trying to appeal to the buyers like us who want it all. We are only a small percentage of the market. Most end users don't even know or understand teh difference between qvga and vga and only use the video (if at all) to record something on the handset and show their mates. They will rarely actually take that video and attempt to display it on a full size display device.
I think you could argue that for the average buyer VGA output is only necessary if 1. the handset has VGA display, or 2. if the handset has tv out.
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Posted: 2008-08-20 01:16:17
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On 2008-08-20 01:16:17, max_wedge wrote:
I think you could argue that for the average buyer VGA output is only necessary if 1. the handset has VGA display, or 2. if the handset has tv out.
I don't agree with that.. Where do you like to store your pictures taken with your phone? On the phone, or "safe" on your computer?
The same goes for video... You don't carry around 1000 pictures and 300 videoclips on your phone just to plug it to a bigscreen telly for viewing pleasure...
No, you put it on your computer and watch them there, you put them on Myspace, Facebook and/or YouTube...
And everybody knows watching a low quality videoclip on YouTube sucks bigtime...
[ This Message was edited by: _vAmpiRe_ on 2008-08-20 03:25 ]
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Posted: 2008-08-20 04:17:45
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Yes but look how popular youtube video is and it's only qvga. And no better quality than most qvga devices.
And you are over-estimating the general public.
It's a "dead zone" user who bothers to actually do anything with the video other than share it with friends via the handset.
This is changing as data costs get cheaper - and the "dead zone" is becoming larger and not so dead anymore. So I sort of agree with you, but it's only something that's just starting to happen.
In a years time, it will be a major blunder by SE if VGA recording is not being widely incorporated into their releases. For now it's a forgivable sin.
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Posted: 2008-08-20 05:05:29
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Can anyone tell virgine fontaine to post some full size C905 pics??He posts 800x600 pics and they are simply out of this world.Ib wanted to check the full version. He went on a holiday to florence and shot all the pics with his C905.
Here is the link:
http://flickr.com/photos/virgilefontaine/sets/72157606828785947/
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Posted: 2008-08-20 06:10:27
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On 2008-08-20 01:16:17, max_wedge wrote:
On 2008-08-19 14:06:52, shyam335 wrote:
Dont blame arm,its the fault of se (or their platform).
arm IS the platform
That's the point. They need to update their platform before they can support arm. And that's an expensive process. I think SE strategy these days is to not be on the forefront and just make phones that the average person will buy rather than trying to appeal to the buyers like us who want it all. We are only a small percentage of the market. Most end users don't even know or understand teh difference between qvga and vga and only use the video (if at all) to record something on the handset and show their mates. They will rarely actually take that video and attempt to display it on a full size display device.
I think you could argue that for the average buyer VGA output is only necessary if 1. the handset has VGA display, or 2. if the handset has tv out.
To my knowledge ARM (the company) doesnt provide any platform of their own,but their partners does.So i don't know where you got the idea of "arm is the platform",unless you meant arm based platform.
ARM isnt the problem here,as i was pointing out.There are other phones out there with arm9,which can manage vga 15fps.
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Posted: 2008-08-20 06:17:43
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On 2008-08-19 12:08:27, max_wedge wrote:
the vga capability of vga recording phones is over-rated in my view. There is almost no realistic advantage in having a vga capable recording device compared to a qvga. The codecs are still far too compressed to be of any real use.
The end user is not silly and they can see that the vga output is crap and only usable on the phone itself - ie you take the video and show your friends and it goes no further than that. In that mode of usage, there is no need for video recording to be any higher res than the handset display res.
I think you would not say this if you have seen video taken with n82/95
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VGA@30fps video taken with N82 on a 42 in screen and video is near tv quality (except for some fuzziness at the edges + little bit of noise) and clear discernable sound. Video taken with W910 is totally unviewable with its big blocky pixelation and garbled sound on the large screen.
I check the video quality taken with N82 and it bitrate is around 4500kbps and frame rate varies from 27 to 30.
On 2008-08-19 12:02:11, marty mcfly wrote:
Conspiracy theories abound! I'll go first...the Watermelon did it.
Conspiracy theory?? haha. More like pure greed on SE part as they want to milk the existing platform. By the time C905 comes out it would have been years that SE used the ancient platform. Samsung/LG/Nokia has moved on to better platform for sometime already.
One or 2 quarters back SE has been making tons of profit (way above industry ave) so it not an excuse not to invest in a new hardware platform. LG is selling about the same volume as SE but LG has improved its hardware so much compared to SE. SE just sits on its butts.
[ This Message was edited by: mib1800 on 2008-08-20 05:53 ]
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Posted: 2008-08-20 06:50:14
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Is it cost expensife enought to upgrade from arm9 to arm11?
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Posted: 2008-08-20 06:58:00
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On 2008-08-20 06:50:14, mib1800 wrote:
I think you would not say this if you have seen video taken with n82/95
I haven't seen video taken with n82, but I have seen many samples of N95 video and if you think it's near tv quality then I think your Nokia filter must be operating over time!
Any kind of fine detail (such as foliage) blurs into mush with any kind of movement (even slow panning). Colours are not great either.
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VGA@30fps video taken with N82 on a 42 in screen and video is near tv quality (except for some fuzziness at the edges + little bit of noise) and clear discernable sound. Video taken with W910 is totally unviewable with its big blocky pixelation and garbled sound on the large screen.
I agree the sound is good, much better than any previous video even from Nokia itself. I also agree the W910 is blocky, but it's standard for H263 video. It's not totally unviewable, it's just that compared to the N95 video it's comes out looking really bad. But next to even a cheap digicam VGA video the N95 comes out looking pretty dismal. It's all relative.
I also agree N95 video will look much better in fullscreen on a monitor or TV than W910, but then youtube video looks pretty crap fullscreen but that doesn't stop youtube being the most popular video blogging site ever.
btw, I've never tried to claim W910 video is comparable to N95.
Conspiracy theory?? haha. More like pure greed on SE part as they want to milk the existing platform. By the time C905 comes out it would have been years that SE used the ancient platform. Samsung/LG/Nokia has moved on to better platform for sometime already.
One or 2 quarters back SE has been making tons of profit (way above industry ave) so it not an excuse not to invest in a new hardware platform. LG is selling about the same volume as SE but LG has improved its hardware so much compared to SE. SE just sits on its butts.
If there is any greed going on it's not on the part of SE, but rather their 2 shareholders (Sony and Ericsson). And maybe the two partners have milked so much profit out of SE that SE can't do it's job, but somehow I doubt Sony and definitely not Ericsson would be stupid enough to risk SE's market growth by hobbling the company in that way.
I think whatever is going on it's down to legitimate business strategy. Afterall, not implementing VGA recording for the next 6-12 months is only going to affect a small percentage of sales. If SE if still pursuing growth in the low to mid range market then they may have decided that the small loss of sales due to lack of vga recording is a fair sacrifice to make to focus on low to mid end handset development.
I myself am disappointed that SE don't value the high end as much as they used to. But I'm just a consumer who wants to pay as little as he can for as much as he can get. SE Executives on the other hand have the much more demanding task of building SE up into a market leading brand.
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Posted: 2008-08-20 10:58:34
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On 2008-08-20 10:58:34, max_wedge wrote:
... if you think it's near tv quality then I think your Nokia filter must be operating over time!
Or the TV he has compared it with is a lousy (not everyone can afford a good TV).
On 2008-08-20 06:50:14, mib1800 wrote:
Samsung/LG/Nokia has moved on to better platform for sometime already.
Cosidering both LG and SE uses platforms from EMP, I'm not sure your statement about "better platform" is entirely correct when it comes to LG. They may choose to use different features on the platform, but the platform as such is most likely equally good or bad I would guess.
[ This Message was edited by: Arne Anka on 2008-08-20 16:37 ]
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Posted: 2008-08-20 15:08:51
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