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On 2005-10-19 02:08:25, amnesia wrote:
as I said, we do not refuse all religions.
Of course each religion will say they are the best and if you are true to your faith you will believe in it above all else.
In Islam we believe in all other religions by God. Christianity, Judiasm and so on.
We just dont act similarly.
@slattery,
My mum is Christian my dad is Muslim they respect each others faiths and do not interfere.
i think you may have confused me with someone else who asked that question, i ve always thought muslims could respect each others faith. most sensible relgious people can ,its just the bigots who cant
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Posted: 2005-10-19 09:35:12
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thanks for the quote
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Posted: 2005-10-19 10:48:11
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@gelfen
Wise words indeed, but then simplicity usually is. People tend to look for too much and in the process they never achieve half of what they set out to do, which in turn leads to disappointment.
Many people feel that they need a variety of things to be happy e.g. money, posessions, etc. They loose sight of what they already have and denegrate such things a sbeing unimportant. This then leads to greed as they clamour for what they perceive will make them happy, which in turns leads to jealousy if they cannot attain such things and then to resentment of others who have such things.
I find that it is best to seek nothing and be grateful for whatever I do attain.
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Posted: 2005-10-19 18:28:55
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On 2005-10-19 18:28:55, scotsboyuk wrote:
I find that it is best to seek nothing and be grateful for whatever I do attain.
I agree with nearly everything you said except the last bit. Unless you seek out certain things that are important to you i don't think you are likely to attain them. Also, it is those dreams and aspirations that are for me the main point (although not everything there is) to life. Which means it's also important that those aspirations are well chosen and truly meaningful to you e.g. probably not money and possessions at the expense of all else (they have their place but too much importance is placed on them, generally)
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Posted: 2005-10-19 18:46:06
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Hi,
I've been trolling this thread for a while now and a lot of interesting points have been made. I have a question for PeterKay:
Some time ago you were pointing out inaccuracies/contradictions in the Bible. This is hardly surprising since the new testament was edited together from multiple sources written years after the events actually happened.
Someone else posted a similar list of contradictions about the Qu'ran which you neatly managed to sidestep. If the Qu'ran is unchanged and unchallengable word of Allah how do you reconcile these differences? Moreover, if Allah managed to change his mind during the lifetime of Mohammed, maybe he's changed his mind since. Maybe its ok to eat Pork nowadays we have refridgeration and improved hygene?
Whilst I can tell that you are smart and reasonable from your posts, I think the way you dismissed this list of inaccuraracies was slightly hypocritical. It's the kind of response that you always get from people who have invested a lot energy in some kind of belief system, only to be confronted with evidence that undermines some of their core beliefs - in this case the perfect nature of the Qu'ran.
I would be interested in what you have to say, but like other posters I find the repeated quoting of the Qu'ran slightly irrelevant to the main points of discussion.
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Posted: 2005-10-19 22:01:39
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To a degree Gelfen.. I appreicate what you're saying, but by the same token I don't feel that they stack up to the same degree.
*IF* such a benevolent being is going to lay waste at the blink of an eye, then creating a paradise for people seems to be nothing more than a tease at best, and at worst we're lab mice for someones enjoyment. (Unless i'm wrong that would class god as a sadist in my book)
Life doesn't seem like such a prize when the many ways to end it seem to be the reason for having life in the first place. (presuming of course you follow the creationism theory and thus god planned all this and it's all to its will and design. (which, people, isn't an invite to turn this into a thread we've already rehashed
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"Oh look what you have, oh and i'll smite it at any time I feel a bit miffed, Sorry old chaps. Hope I don't loose this round of golf."
I personally don't equate god with being nature, nor natural disasters.
So to me it doesn't even out in that respect. While growing up and being taugt religion (we had it in school here in NZ) it seemed to me god was being offered more as a spiritual insurance policy than anything else.
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Posted: 2005-10-19 22:58:23
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On 2005-10-19 22:01:39, duncanb99 wrote:
Someone else posted a similar list of contradictions about the Qu'ran which you neatly managed to sidestep. If the Qu'ran is unchanged and unchallengable word of Allah how do you reconcile these differences? Moreover, if Allah managed to change his mind during the lifetime of Mohammed, maybe he's changed his mind since. Maybe its ok to eat Pork nowadays we have refridgeration and improved hygene?
If you want answers to the contradictions that were mentioned, please ask the questions
Here and let us know the answers if possible. I am a student who knows the whole Quran by heart but the questions that were asked need to be asked to a higher level scholar who is available on the link.
The laws of Islam (shariah) cannot be changed, the life of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is still widely followed throughout the globe and whatever we have been forbidden to eat still remains the same. There are a minority of Muslims who go against the law but this is what the Quran states.
Verse 168 from Chapter 2 states:
O ye people! Eat of what is on earth, Lawful and good; and do not follow the footsteps of the evil one, for he is to you an avowed enemy.
Almighty Allah states in The Holy Quran that this book is the truth and that he will show the signs throught the earth. The believers of the book don't need any signs but the signs make their faith stronger.
Verse 53 from Chapter 41 states:
Soon will We show them our Signs in the furthest regions of the earth, and in their own souls, until it becomes manifest to them that this (Quran) is the Truth. Is it not enough that thy Lord doth witness all things?
Regarding the contradictions, The Holy Quran which has not changed since days of revelation is an inspiration for millions around the world and the contradictions (if there are any) have no effect on the new muslims which are reverting to the faith on a daily basis.
There cannot be any contradiction whatsoever between the established science and the Quran. This is because both the Universe and the Quran are creations of One God. The universe is the 'work' of God and the Quran is the 'word' of God. Science is about discovering Allah's laws in action in the Universe.
Another criterion to judge whether the Quran is from Allah or man's creation is given in Sura An-Nisa (Chapter 4, Verse 82):
Do they not reflect upon the Quran? Were it from anyone other than Allah they would have found many inconsistencies or discrepancies therein.
The Quran is a unique book for all times and at all levels. The objective of the Quran and its method of explanation is that of educating the minds and changing human attitude towards life. Its aim is to bring about a revolution inside the man himself, for after all, the external material civilization is the expression of the internal spiritual condition of man himself. We are confident that if Quran is understood with reason and knowledge, and the principles laid down by the Quran itself, it promises definite results.
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Posted: 2005-10-20 00:12:29
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Sabbe Satta Sukhi Hontu
(May All Beings Released From Dukha)
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Posted: 2005-10-20 03:13:00
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What is Dukha?
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Posted: 2005-10-20 03:19:40
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Dukha = a form sufferings
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Posted: 2005-10-20 03:39:00
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