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There is nothing wrong with eating dogs, or any animal. It is how they are treated that is key.
There IS something wrong with eating dogs!!!
It changes everything
- re __ 'Its a dogs life'
changes the meaning!!
- But then again 'Its a dog eat dog world!'
Dont try and flame me..... its just a joke!
[ This Message was edited by: 786KBR on 2005-09-08 09:35 ]
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Posted: 2005-09-08 10:34:47
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@786 you are really ruining the mood of this thread.
@max I beleive animals and humans should be treated equally. U say animals dont have compassion? You are wrong. It is the humans that are scheming, never an animal! Ever thought about that?
Animals are defenceless creatures and are more than objects of appetite. Someone said its ok to eat chicken but not dog. wrong! Chickens might look syupid but are very intelligent birds. They live in families, form hierarchies and socially interact.
And anyway..even if an animal doesnt do anything humans dont have a fooking right to put their paws on them!!!
Ok lions eat becoz they dont have the same logic as humansdo.
Humans are the smartest creetures in the world. Use it!!!
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Posted: 2005-09-08 10:50:06
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They aren't equal obviously.
I wonder why? Just because they do not have as much thinking capacity as we?
I'd agree if you had said "they are different"
Quote:They themselves aren't capable of showing the same compassion that 'some' humans can.
Agreed!
Since "compassion" is a human quality found in "some" humans! And...because animals are "different"!
Quote:However, they are capable of suffering, and while I believe it is necessary to eat animals
(there is not enough land to grow all the food necessary to feed us all), and also to experiment on them, the suffering should be only what is necessary.
Yeah i do believe they are capable of suffering just like humans!
And the last time i heard, a country like India which is considered "poor" had a foodgrain surplus. Food doesn't reach the lowest strata of the society only due to the corruption and red tapism which comes in between.I would'nt blink an eyelid if a poor man hungry for days kills and eats an Animal...because there he has no choice...just like a lion in the jungle!
And i being a non vegetarian all my life (till last week) never ate meat thinking it would help someone in Africa.
The truth is, no one except a few eat animals for the reason you mentioned...its just because we like how it tastes and because it has been a part of our culture!
I'd like to bring in some statistics into play here as well..The fact is..Raising animals for food is an extremely inefficient way to feed a growing human population. The U.S. livestock population consumes enough grain and soybeans to feed more than five times the entire U.S. population. One acre of pasture produces an average of 165 pounds of beef; the same acre can produce 20,000 pounds of potatoes. If Americans reduced their meat consumption by only 10 percent, it would free 12 million tons of grain annually for human consumption. That alone would be enough to adequately feed each of the 60 million people who starve to death each year!
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Posted: 2005-09-08 11:32:17
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As mentioned twice before, by turning veggie i do not find myself to be morally at a higher pedestal than non-veggies!
I turned vegetarian only because i had a choice to be. I saw those pics and first felt how cruel those koreans are!
Then i asked myself the same question. This is the result!
And like Thoreau said "I have no doubt that it is a part of the destiny of the human race, in its gradual improvement, to leave off eating animals"
@all, i'm sorry once again if some of you felt i was questioning your morality or way of life.
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Posted: 2005-09-08 12:10:26
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These are the disadvantages of being a vegetarian! I still respect your choice and im not trying to change you, its just for you to think about.
inadequate milk production for nursing mothers, as well as retarded physical and mental development in some children who are strictly on a vegan or raw food diet;
slow metabolism leading to a much less robust lifestyle;
a general lack of vitality;
low body temperature (always cold);
a weak, touchy digestive system with a loss of digestive strength (unable to metabolize food quickly, have to be careful what you eat, how much, must practice food combining to be able to digest food, etc.);
food cravings (especially among women);
stalled weight loss because metabolism is too low (predominately in women);
inability to gain weight, resulting in shrunken, cadaverous-looking bodies (predominately in men);
weight gains from overeating on carbohydrates;
amenorrhea (menstrual cycles cease), even in young women;
loss of libido;
hair loss and nail problems;
dental cavities, tooth loss, and gum problems;
joint pain;
inability to conceive
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Posted: 2005-09-08 12:28:47
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On 2005-09-08 12:28:47, 786KBR wrote:
These are the disadvantages of being a vegetarian! I still respect your choice and im not trying to change you, its just for you to think about.
inadequate milk production for nursing mothers, as well as retarded physical and mental development in some children who are strictly on a vegan or raw food diet;
slow metabolism leading to a much less robust lifestyle;
a general lack of vitality;
low body temperature (always cold);
a weak, touchy digestive system with a loss of digestive strength (unable to metabolize food quickly, have to be careful what you eat, how much, must practice food combining to be able to digest food, etc.);
food cravings (especially among women);
stalled weight loss because metabolism is too low (predominately in women);
inability to gain weight, resulting in shrunken, cadaverous-looking bodies (predominately in men);
weight gains from overeating on carbohydrates;
amenorrhea (menstrual cycles cease), even in young women;
loss of libido;
hair loss and nail problems;
dental cavities, tooth loss, and gum problems;
joint pain;
inability to conceive
Thanks for letting me know!
But here are some of the advantages as well..
a diet rich in fresh fruit and vegetables but excluding animal fat and protein offers numerous health benefits, including a significantly lower risk of heart disease, obesity, diabetes, cancer, kidney failure and stroke. The American Dietetic Association, the largest organization of nutrition professionals, states on its website "Vegetarian diets offer a number of nutritional benefits, including lower levels of saturated fat, cholesterol, and animal protein as well as higher levels of carbohydrates, fiber, magnesium, potassium, folate, and antioxidants such as vitamins C and E and phytochemicals. Vegetarians have been reported to have lower body mass indices than nonvegetarians, as well as lower rates of death from ischemic heart disease; vegetarians also show lower blood cholesterol levels; lower blood pressure; and lower rates of hypertension, type 2 diabetes, and prostate and colon cancer." The American Heart Association's website states "Many studies have shown that vegetarians seem to have a lower risk of obesity, coronary heart disease (which causes heart attack), high blood pressure, diabetes mellitus and some forms of cancer." Studies show that a vegetarian mother's breast milk has significantly lower levels of pesticide than a non-vegetarian one's.
A myth used to exist that vegetarians had to mix proteins to get all the essential amino acids. This argument has been debunked, as vegetarians get all the protein and amino acids they need from eating a normal variety of whole grains (whole wheat bread, oatmeal, brown rice), beans, nuts, and soy (tofu, veggie burgers/hotdogs, etc). But the intake of such foods has to be large since the protein percentage in these foods are comparitively lower than in a similar serving of meat. A purely vegetarian diet does not include fish - a major source of Omega 3, though some plant-based sources of it exist such as soy, flaxseed, pumpkin seeds, canola oil and especially, walnuts.
I am not trying to prove you wrong!
May the power of google be with you and me!!
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Posted: 2005-09-08 12:42:32
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Guy in this whole thread I kinda knew what your reply would be! And again I knew what you would post,
Those advantages are were mainly found and tested with 'white folk!!!!' You are Indian, our cooking styles and delicious spicy ingredients will be to your detriment!!!
Heart disease, coronary vein thingys... masalas and sunflower oil is still gonna do that to you! ....
So now you losing out on all the benefits of meat (in my previous post) and losing out on the most beneficial aspects of being a vegan!!
ps, Im still not trying to change you or disrespect you in any way.
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Posted: 2005-09-08 12:52:56
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Since you knew what my reply would be, Why did you bother to post? And the statistics you gave doesn't mention whether it is applicable for "whites" or people of other races!
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Posted: 2005-09-08 12:57:00
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@786 just from where did u get your facts from?
some of the greatest athletes and men in the world are vegetarian.
Veg food is healthy. beleive it. our ancestors were actually vegetarians! (apes, chimps, monkeys)
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Posted: 2005-09-08 13:02:05
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Coz its for everbody!
Im sure you know our diet is the most unhealthy in the world! - And its mainly coz of our ingredients and the way we cook?
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Posted: 2005-09-08 13:04:41
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