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again and again. do read the previous posts on this thread before you post. the discussion we have regarding whether or not the p1i is the successor of the p990i, batesie (who was at the unveiling) and ares among others has clearly stated that this is not the case.

forget the addition of the camera and how the m600i is not supposed to have one, the p1i IS the successor to the m600i. why is it rebranded under P series, nobody knows. maybe the M series is dead (and I don't see why not, given the domination of Nokia's E series), but that's another story. for now, I for one can be sure that the p1i is in logic indeed a replacement for the m600i, and the replacement for the p990i is yet to be seen. so give it some time, I'm sure we're due a replacement, a real successor for the p990i soon.

what's so wrong with having 2 types of phones in the P series anyway?
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Posted: 2007-05-10 01:18:06
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Hi Ares,

That is good news if you are right but if they only announce it towards the end of the Year when will it launch? As just the P1 in a year is not enough we all want something to desire and want to own and really we want or now or very soon.

Marc

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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2007-05-10 00:23 ]
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Posted: 2007-05-10 01:22:17
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The P1 is a great upgrade to the M600 (whether it is or not is besdie the point - from a practical point of view, it's an M600 with camera and wifi)

However it has the main disadvantage for me which is the lack of 5 way control (joystick or dpad, either would be better than nothing).

Personally I'd prefer a dpad and small number keypad than the full qwerty keypad.

My hope for an SE symbian phone is a slide formfactor similar size xda mini -qvga touchscreen, 5 way controller, but with a slide that reveals the camera on backside and a keyboard on the front. I don't care if the keyboard is qwerty or not, since I use the touchscreen for handwriting recognition - but my main beef with the qwerty keyboard is it takes up room on the front. So if it's hidden under a slide it doesn't matter to me if it's qwerty or just a number pad.

Add to that 3.2MP camera with AF, wifi (b is okay but g would be better), qvga video recording, umts hdspa (EDGE is no good to us here in australia so I'm not fussed about EGDE), Opera default browser, touchscreen.

So far I've never seen a phone that fullfills those requirements, not from SE or anyone. The main idea being a small device with most of the front taken up with a touchscreen (to maximise screen size), a 5 way controller, a hidden keyboard, and a quality camera with active lense cover.


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Posted: 2007-05-10 02:41:47
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Even though it does have more memory, I would consider the P1 a downgrade from the P990. P1 and P990 are distinctly different in design concept as M600 vs. P990. A P990 replacement would have the same form factor as the P990 to give users two product lines. Also I'm not very keen on internal GPS, I find it inconvenient to use and a battery drainer. The P990 replacement needs to have big differences not just cosmetics touch-ups for people to trade in their P990s.
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Posted: 2007-05-10 02:50:12
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I'm sure that pretty much all of these will be sorted with the P990 successor. I agree with the internal GPS though, they just seem to me like a complete waste of time and extra bulk and weight that 70% of the time would never get used (at least in my opinion).

I would much rather just have a cheap £30 bluetooth gps unit in my glove compartment which i can use on any phone i upgrade to and dont have to carry around with me permanently. I'd also quite like the choice of which software I use and choosing not to be forced to pay to have a proper GPS navigation system like in the N95 (I've paid enough for the friggin phone, why the hell should I pay MORE to be able to use it properly?)

Sorry, anyway. Back to the P1i:

I will defiantely get one, but I've only just got an M600i. The camera ont he back is kinda off-putting for me. I can imagine it getting very broken very quickly, although WiFi would be nice.

I still don't get what all the hyps about g is. In my house B works a damn sight better than G - I always get MUCH better range and MUCH MUCH better response. Although, there are 13 computers in my house sharing two wired and one wireless network.

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[ This Message was edited by: andrewkeith5 on 2007-05-10 07:22 ]
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Posted: 2007-05-10 08:20:15
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I totally agree that this (P1) is no replacement for P990. They are too much alike. We'll have som patient and wait for the P2.....

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Posted: 2007-05-10 08:48:35
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When u have B/G devices connected to wifi-G network, the thru-put of the entire wifi network dropped to only 11Mbps. If you only have G devices the thru-put can go up to 56Mbps.

Some wifi zones/hotspots purposefully dont run their wifi network in mixed mode (i.e. disable support for B-devices) because it slows down the entire network and reduces the range of the wifi.

It is not about the phone has only wifi-B standard since the phone can never achieve 11mbps anyway. It is about impact of B-only devices have on others.

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Posted: 2007-05-10 08:53:55
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@mib1800
I get your point! Why putting ancient wifi b? Why not just b/g? How much it cost to upgrade from b to b/g? Im sure it will cos under $50

Stingy, profit sucker!


[ This Message was edited by: nokiamaniax on 2007-05-10 08:09 ]
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Posted: 2007-05-10 09:07:00
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I still say that a true "replacement for the M600" wouldn't have a camera, and wouldn't match and exceed the current P series on every point - that's not what the M600 was ever about. The M600 was a relatively cheap messaging phone aimed at the corporate market - the P1 is a relatively expensive flagship model aimed at pretty much everyone. That makes it something else - more obviously, it makes it a replacement for the P990, on however an interim basis.

I think what gets me about this ongoing argument is the assumption (on the part of people that have never used the M600 or the P1) that the M600's form factor is inferior to the flip design, and therefore any proper flagship is going to have a flip. As anyone who's used the M600 can tell you, that's not the case. The M600's keyboard, combined with the usability tweaks to UIQ that the P990 entirely missed out on, completely replace any need for a flip; and of course they also reduce the bulk and weight of the phone. And of course the M600 Qwerty is actually much easier to use than the P990's "full" keyboard, as any that have used both will attest.

The M600 was unashamedly a "lesser" phone than the P990 on features, lacking the camera (deliberately) and wifi, but it was a much greater phone on usability, pocketability, and ergonomics, and that's where the P1 will shine also. I sincerely hope that SE now abandon the flip design, and concentrate their efforts for the "6th generation P" on another M600/P1 style phone - otherwise you'll all be blindly going backwards on form factor, not forwards, and I for one will be sticking with my P1.

[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2007-05-10 08:51 ]
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Posted: 2007-05-10 09:47:47
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Just restarted the P1i I'm using and it had 76.1MB free memory.
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Posted: 2007-05-10 10:15:06
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