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Posted: 2008-06-12 18:48:14
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Apple misrepresents the phone's features, making it seem revolutionary when it is nothing of the sort.
The iPhone is very overhyped right now and the point of my message was "look, it's an adequate phone with very good marketing behind it, that's all".

P.S: I have just bought my first UIQ phone so your assumption would be wrong; in fact I am quite underwhelmed by smartphones in general.
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Posted: 2008-06-12 19:07:24
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Not really, no. But it's a testament to stu.... the marketing genius of Apple, that they can get people on board the same carousel - not once, but twice.
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Posted: 2008-06-12 19:18:42
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I think it all cuts both ways, yes the Iphone is and always has been overhyped, but equally this tactic of reducing each attritube to an un-amazing line on paper, like "it has a web browser" isn't fair either. The implication that the Iphone's web browser is no more remarkable than the P1's web browser, for example, is blatantly unfair to the Iphone.



Well no, my assumption isn't wrong - I simply assumed that people had sour grapes about the Iphone encroaching into "their" SE's phone's territory. And they have. For the record, I was quite underwhelmed by UIQ's latest efforts too.
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Posted: 2008-06-12 19:20:51
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Underwhelmed by UIQ or by SE? UIQ by itself is a rather good UI, it can easily be made finger friendly simply by using the right theme. The underlying UI is very stable and competent, the actual implementation by SE might not invigorate you but that is down to SE playing safe, not UIQ.
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Posted: 2008-06-12 19:50:47
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UIQ is okay, but that's it. It's about as standard as any touchscreen interface could get, and is actually a lot closer to Windows Mobile in design than many would like to admit (all it's really missing is the Start menu, which is actually a plus point for WM). It's impressive what it does on such a low-rent, low power hardware base, but at the same time SE have been stuck on these same 208mhz chips for far too long, and the continued lack of HSDPA and any real speed has long since started to show - it's nothing short of embarrassing that new handsets like Paris are apparently just more of the same, in a slightly new box.

Recycling it in a cheaper form factor a la the G900 makes some sense (although even there it's looking dated) but flogging the same dead horse as their latest smartphone is just the mark of a completely lost cause.

Meanwhile, the only other manufacturer doing anything at all with UIQ is Motorola, and for them it's just an easy way to develop new feature phones without having to rewrite their own godawful interface. Fair enough, running it without the touchscreen proves the platform's versatility, but it's also pretty uninteresting to anyone wanting a serious smartphone. After all, if you wanted serious smartphone features, but didn't want a touchscreen, you'd get a Nokia.
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Posted: 2008-06-13 12:35:10
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I agree about the hardware, but I have to argue one thing - battery life. Compared to most nokia s60 devices the p1 really does last much longer between charges. Which is primarily down to work done by UIQ and SE to get the most out of the hardware available.

I would like to see a UIQ which is as finger friendly as the iPhone, or even the new Touch3d, but which still has all the good parts of UIQ there, including that battery life.

Yes, SE have consistently extended the hardware rather than radically alter it, but this has lead to a great deal of stability to the hardware - which isn't a bad thing really. Uptimes measured in months has always been a major plus for me. I hardly ever had to reset my 910, and my p1 is pretty close to that too, but yes i agree. I dont know if i will upgrade to the p5, not with the hardware spec as it stands.

PS I prefer to think that WM has moved closer to UIQ, rather than UIQ being like WM, UIQ was there first after all.
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Posted: 2008-06-13 13:01:48
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Battery life is a great thing, and certainly not something that Windows Mobile can particularly boast of, but at the end of the day I'm quite certain there's a market for UIQ phones which maybe need slightly bigger/heavier batteries, but can also compete with S60/WM/Iphone on speed and data. It shouldn't take much, if UIQ is as efficient as it claims to be, and yet SE just won't make the leap.

My P910 was extremely stable years ago, but I'm not convinced any UIQ3 devices have ever really matched that. In my experience WM is every bit as stable as UIQ3, if not more so.

And in all fairness to Windows Mobile, it was around in Pocket PC form long before the P800 arrived, and UIQ2 wasn't exactly a revolution in UI design.

[ This Message was edited by: boinng on 2008-06-13 12:21 ]
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Posted: 2008-06-13 13:12:22
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Bah. Psion got there first with EPOC, which UIQ descends from.
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Posted: 2008-06-13 17:47:34
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Hmm... I was a big fan of Psion products, and to be honest it's a real shame they didn't go it alone without spinning out Symbian - their own software and hardware designs were far better than anything SE or Nokia have done since. I loved the P800 as a phone, but I'd have loved it a lot more if UIQ had been as well thought out as the Revo or Series 5 OS...

Apart from anything else, what were they thinking when they ditched the old Word and Spreadsheet apps? And why lobotomise the Agenda suite?

Windows Mobile has at least steadily improved all the while, while Symbian took a big step back before it went forward...

[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2008-06-13 17:05 ]
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Posted: 2008-06-13 18:03:26
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