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The G900 doesn't have HSDPA...
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Posted: 2008-08-19 14:22:32
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The G900 is a real wet weekend, a poor man's P1 released about three years too late, based on an OS which is now obsolete. It's frankly pathetic that right now, it's the only smartphone SE have released this year (and may yet remain so).
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Posted: 2008-08-19 14:41:33
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Hi all,

Its quite incredible to me some of the misconceptions that have arisen in this thread now. First and foremost i am and was an Ericsson fan i chose their devices over all others because of the quality they delivered in their handsets and also the cutting edge technologies they introduced. I suppose most here don't even remember all the things that Ericsson bought to our devices and just take all these features for granted now.

Ericsson where first to market with the first PDA/phone combo which was the beginning of the emergence of the smart phone as we know it today. There were no devices like the P800 before it there were only PDA's that could link up to Mobiles.

The joining of forces of Ericsson technical know how and Sony's marketing and design was meant to be match made in heaven and for a while it was. Initially SE continued with this heritage and is why we continued to see SE offer great devices and growth in sales and market share.

My problem with SE only started in 2006 and I'm not going to repeat it all again now, but since then for calling it as i see it i have constantly been accused of being an SE hater or traitor for daring chose products that deliver what i want and need. I call that being sensible and a pro consumer the fact that most of the things i have complained about still haven't been addressed even now 2 years later IMO is why SE are in the mess they are in.

Since the P990 and UIQ3 SE still have not introduced a single smart phone with an improved Processor and graphics set up nor one with HSDPA. Even there latest Web generation smart phones don't have it, HSDPA is a wide spread feature and costs the user no more than using 3G data, but delivers huge improvements in speed. It is in all types of devices even those from SE just not in their data centric smart phones just how can that make any sense? as clearly it doesn't.

That fact alone is why myself and many others have not been able to buy an SE smart phone for so long. So where once Ericsson/SE led they are currently way behind all the competition in both choice and high end devices. As whilst they may have smart phones for some they do not have them for all, anyone like me that wants HSDPA which we can use for the same price from our Networks as plain 3G can not chose a SE smart phone.

Also the way SE treated their users that were early adopters of UIQ3 was disgraceful including withdrawing support for under a year old device. If it was just UIQ3 that got this treatment it would of been bad enough but unfortunately it wasn't A200 users have also suffered a similar fate.

The K850 SE's flagship Cyber shot failed to deliver on it's promise and where as before they had all been class leading Camera phones this was no longer true. Just look at the K850 that some 10 months odd later still has reported problems. Look at all the users that have had multiple units and worse how many users dumped the K850 and are using another manufacturers product.

These are the things that have hurt SE and it shows in their market position and drop in profits. Despite what SE and some of their users claim they are missing high end and even mid end solutions, to many devices that are just cosmetically changed with no real upgrade in the hardware has started to hurt SE.

Those that criticise SE don't do it with hate it's not because we are all Nokia fans it's because we want to see SE return to where it was or maybe even higher. But remaining silent and congratulating SE on a job badly done isn't the way to help them, unfortunately trying to give them feedback doesn't seem to work either. Things need to change and change fast as the market is ever changing and SE's competition aren't standing still either.

@Ares

You know what i was stunned i won the title the first time and even more shocked that i won it again. The only explanation i can think of is obviously many understand what i am trying to put across. Unlike you they don't believe i hate SE and find what i say actually makes sense as it's only really hardened SE fans that take exception to my opinions.

Marc

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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2008-08-19 14:42 ]
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Posted: 2008-08-19 15:17:49
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Dogmann you are spot on. I never ever thought that I would buy a Nokia. I always saw Nokia as an inferior product to Now its the opposite and it all started going down with the debacle of the P990.

They don't even seem to care too much either. Whilst Nokia keeps pushing back at the competition including from Apple seems to have conceded to being fifth.
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Posted: 2008-08-19 15:37:24
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I agree i loved the Ericsson days and remember how they bought new tech to the market. Hey they invented Bluetooth. And when Sony married Ericsson it was all new and exciting with fab phones. For some reason they have gone off the boil and its a shame. I do love Nokia too just as much but for a long time many years back i mostly bought SE.
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Posted: 2008-08-19 15:56:00
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Actually was it SE who made the first landscaped phone camera
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Posted: 2008-08-19 16:08:00
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What's passed is in the past. No matter how many innovations SE had done in the past, people will eventually forget them and move on. If SE can't keep up with competition, it's doomed. This goes for every monopolistic competitions, not just mobile phones. The market, the customers will decide what's good for them. If SE phones are deemed inferior to other products, they will move to another brand, save for the minority of hardcore fanboys.

Mobile phone competition is tough and stressful as technology evolves at a tremendous speed and it's not something to be trifled with. If SE doesn't do some catching up and continues to ignore feedbacks and criticisms as well as churning out half-baked products, it'll be gone in a flash. If the current trend keeps up, some day it'll no longer be Sony Ericsson, it'll just be Sony.
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Posted: 2008-08-19 16:26:46
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yeah you are right I had a brain fart - I was mixing up with the C905 (which isn't UIQ)

Maybe UIQ really is dead? If they haven't put HSDPA in by now, given all the A200's with HSDPA, something is going on...
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Posted: 2008-08-19 16:52:36
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Well i think both companies are to blame not just Sony. I remember Sony's old phones were crap. I also remember they teamed up wit Ericsson cos both companies were doing poorly in the phone market. They both needed each others expertise now they have lost the plot.
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Posted: 2008-08-19 16:59:00
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On the contrary, I think they're are victims of circumstance. There is a recession in Europe, a lot of hi-tech companies are struggling, especially chip manufacturers.

Plus, its looks to me like a few devices were taken off the road map with the formation of the Symbian Foundation leaving SE with a shortage of key devices. Q3 will probably show SE with a financial loss but things wil probably be better in Q4 with the release of the C905 and W902 which will be big sellers. The G705 looks promising also.
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Posted: 2008-08-19 18:50:31
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