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Sassho, the galaxy s4 is not only one of the best camera phone, it's the best smartphone ever built ... until now
What you say here is only to tease the majority of users (I9505) because there really is no difference between the two on camera :
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s4_i9500_vs_i9505-review-930p4.php and
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2283201&page=9
Not to mention that there will very soon have a new firmware for the I9005 camera
[ This Message was edited by: davidsic on 2013-10-24 10:21 ]
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Posted: 2013-10-24 10:49:07
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On 2013-10-24 10:49:07, davidsic wrote:
Thanks David for this link , I don't see before. Fortunately, this comparison confirms my words. Octa camera liitle better - no oversharpened counturs over mountains and other objects , image look is better. I see shots by Note 3 with last firmware - photos are not so good as in SGS4 Octa .
Compare this , don't look Exif data for for an impartial opinion. Where is the better shots - left or right?
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Posted: 2013-10-24 12:49:29
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Pictures on the right are better for my eyes without looking the exif...
For the crops the picture on the right suffer a bit of corner softness but not that much.
[ This Message was edited by: davidsic on 2013-10-24 17:51 ]
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Posted: 2013-10-24 18:49:12
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The octa is very good for what it is, but it can't really compete with the 1020 and the 808.
More noise, narrower lens/field of view, no lossless zoom during neither video or stills, no xenon flash.. it doesn't belong in the same group.
It might get close in certain conditions, but overall... its part of the Z1, 1520, iPhone 5s, G2, etc. group.
[ This Message was edited by: cu015170 on 2013-10-24 19:42 ]
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Posted: 2013-10-24 20:42:09
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Camera compare Z1 vs Note 3
http://www.phonearena.com/rev[....]s-Sony-Xperia-Z1_id3468/page/3
@cu015170 - this year I'm very disapointed from "photoflagmans" by Sony and Nokia. SGS4 is the best cameraphone this year and Iphone 5s. Nice detail and colors , low noise by SGS4 Octa. Per 5mp might be even better and better than Lumia's / Z1
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Posted: 2013-10-24 21:20:50
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Not impressed with those Octa photos. I fail to see what is special about them. The iPhone does better from what I saw so far.
On 2013-10-24 07:02:00, Bonovox wrote:
There is some decent detail in the Sony Z1 but there is a few blurry spots as is the 1020 too but not as much. Sony have released an update to fix images and am still waiting for it on my device. It was also a windy day which might explain some leaves looking blurry but overall to my eyes the Sony looks decent. Yeah it's not quite the detail of the 1020 in 5mp mode but it's certainly not as bad as people make out. If you try hard enough you'll get great pics. More often than not using auto is useless in my view.
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[ This Message was edited by: Bonovox on 2013-10-24 06:07 ]
The wind explains some stuff. Never expected with such shiny and clear weather a strong windy day.
But still the detail on the bricks and ground isn't impressive. We shall see what the update would do about it.
And it manages good colors btw. DR isn't that good it seems though. Despite you stopping down third step the clipping parts were still there.
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Posted: 2013-10-24 21:33:05
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On 2013-10-24 03:33:53, Thiagosats wrote:
My test on low light (manual mode) Lumia 1020
Pretty nice photos. What shutter speeds did go for?
The exposure seems perfect. Well done. Usually I would some trial and errors to land on the right exposure in such night shots..
Any chance we could see the originals?
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Posted: 2013-10-24 21:39:09
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It makes me laugh to read that the octa version is better ... as if s600 version was bad ...
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When we turned HDR on, we also encountered some minor differences. The Galaxy S4 (600) did better in exposing properly the highlights and the shadows simultaneously. That's properly due to a slightly flatter contrast curve, so again, it's a matter of camera tuning. Plus, the difference is not that big (or that noticeable with the naked eye).
Here's a comparison, which demonstrates the difference in the resolved dynamic range of both cameraphones with the HDR mode on. The highlighted areas is where there is a loss in image information due to clipping, so the less highlighting there is, the better. Still, it's really hard to notice the difference in dynamic range between the two with a naked eye without the help of computer software.
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Posted: 2013-10-24 21:41:56
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On 2013-10-23 23:36:05, cu015170 wrote:
You can't really expect much from that tiny sensor.. as soon as they announced the specs I knew that I shouldn't keep my hopes up for the Z1.
The rumors were about this:
http://www.gsmarena.com/alleg[....]ny_honami_emerge-news-5948.php
"Sony Honami will reportedly pack a Sony
1/1.6" Exmor RS stacked sensor and Cybershot G glass lens. A 1/1.6" sized camera sensor will be larger than any of its competitors', save for the one in the Nokia 808 Pureview. You can see how it stacks up against the current establishment in the graphic below."
And they had my full attention... too bad it turned out to be much, much smaller than that.
I don't think it can be considered as a potential 1020 rival.. of course, that depends on the perspective.. even an iPhone 3gs can be a potential rival if you so desire
Z1 should be compared to the 1520 .. not the 1020, let alone the 808.
Сашо wait for the WP Black update.. it seems like they will fix a lot of the issues the 1020 has at the moment, expect for the edge blur.. that's hardware.
[ This Message was edited by: cu015170 on 2013-10-23 22:41 ]
It's simple: Sensor size matters the most when comparing two sensors of same generation, made by same manufacturer.
When dealing with two sensors of different generations, sensor size and pixel density become two factors out of few.
BSI was a milestone in sensor technology. Making a leap step ahead.
But even when comparing two BSI sensors of different generations, with same size and pixel density, significant difference will be there.
In optics on the other hand, the same doesn't hold true. In R&D labs some development is going through, but still nothing is out to make new lenses that would be of any tangible improvement to a 5 years one. Talking optical quality at least.
In smartphones, a current challenge is to make bigger lenses fit in smaller designs. And manufacturers are getting better at it with adding lens elements and bigger apertures. Other than that, there is also no true advancement on optical quality. As in a lens of same number and type of elements and aperture delivering better quality than the other.
That's why camera bodies keep being released and improved while same lenses models are being produced for years now.
Next issue you badly need to comprehend, is that oversharpening artifacts are different to luminance noise. Luminance noise itself could help give the illusion of sharp detail in certain photos, so it's not totally left out in some examples which wanted to be as sharp as possible. But still oversharpening grains are different to sensor noise. To tell them apart one could pixel peep and differentiate them in case that someone knows how each looks like.
There are professional software though that could do this eye pain test. And with reliable results.
That's why you look at 1020's images and shout "NOISE" all over the place. While in reality the 1020's sensor manages less noise than the 808's. Not by much though.
Now if Nokia gets rid of these ridiculous oversharpening grains then the 1020 will outdo anything on the market today under every condition. Right now it excels the most in landscape.
Good news is that Nokia listened and are due to release an update addressing all 1020's issues. Hopefully they do a good job there though.
[ This Message was edited by: false_morel on 2013-10-24 20:59 ]
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Posted: 2013-10-24 21:53:30
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^ the results tend to follow
bigger sensor = better IQ
The difference in the sensor is only a few years, if that.. there hasn't been any significant advancements in sensor technology in the past few years.
Yes, if we are comparing a graphene sensor to a conventional one..sure, but all of these are very similar and size is the most important aspect.
On 2013-10-24 21:20:50, Sassho wrote:
Camera compare Z1 vs Note 3
http://www.phonearena.com/rev[....]s-Sony-Xperia-Z1_id3468/page/3
@cu015170 - this year I'm very disapointed from "photoflagmans" by Sony and Nokia. SGS4 is the best cameraphone this year and Iphone 5s. Nice detail and colors , low noise by SGS4 Octa. Per 5mp might be even better and better than Lumia's / Z1
The 1020 is much better than the gs4.. in pretty much every single department
[ This Message was edited by: cu015170 on 2013-10-24 21:02 ]
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Posted: 2013-10-24 21:59:43
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