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On 2016-01-22 14:46:03, amirprog wrote:
On 2016-01-21 20:58:45, Tsepz_GP wrote:
Amirprog
You finally see my reasons for my harsh criticisms of Sony. Although the Z5 Premium is a great step in the right direction, the devices before it, IMO, greatly fell behind and didn't inspire customers.
Sony are always close but not close enough. I truly hope the Z6 Premium/Plus rips apart the competition, Sony have the potential but never truly exploit it.
Samsung was overall better then sony in overall consistent quality end result in all features of their s and note line, generally speaking. Anyone who says different is biased or blind. I say it as a sony fan. It is what it is. I did not like samsung previous attempts because of their cheap design, software bloat and the oled panels were still evolving. Now samsung fixed all of these and outdone themselves with s6 and note 5. Sonymobile will always trail behind competition if they continue in their current looser's way. Their mobile division seem like "dead man walking" as far as the end result is concerned. I see no meaningful change with Z5's. "I hope that z1" "i hope that z2" i hope that z3",etc. sounds familiar. I hope for sony but i will not support current sonymobile attempts with my money.
Blah blah and bla........................you are funny
"Samsung was overall better then sony in overall consistent quality end result in all features of their s and note line, generally speaking"
What overal better? you make claims but give us no single details .
Samsung paid reviewers,providers and retalailers, to promote them if you call that better......................no it's not better but buyout.
What useless features you mention about it, like heart rate blah blah or non tested software or hardware?
Can we now quite promote crapsung in Sony thread please?
[ This Message was edited by: hello1000 on 2016-01-22 18:48 ]
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Posted: 2016-01-22 19:42:52
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On 2016-01-22 19:23:38, nightwing369 wrote:
So, no Optical Zoom in the Z6?
Optical Zoom? Why would you need optical zoom when Sony offers 5x zoom using Sony's exclusive Clear Image Zoom technology! /sarcasm
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Posted: 2016-01-22 19:44:07
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On 2016-01-22 19:44:07, ascariss wrote:
On 2016-01-22 19:23:38, nightwing369 wrote:
So, no Optical Zoom in the Z6?
Optical Zoom? Why would you need optical zoom when Sony offers 5x zoom using Sony's exclusive Clear Image Zoom technology! /sarcasm
Imagine having both of those
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Posted: 2016-01-22 19:54:28
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On 2016-01-22 19:44:07, ascariss wrote:
On 2016-01-22 19:23:38, nightwing369 wrote:
So, no Optical Zoom in the Z6?
Optical Zoom? Why would you need optical zoom when Sony offers 5x zoom using Sony's exclusive Clear Image Zoom technology! /sarcasm
Which phone offers optical zoom, how well did it sell and what would be the point?
Optical image stabilisation, I can get behind that. Optical zoom is fundamentally pointless given the size constraints.
At the telephoto end, the camera will be garbage. I guarantee it.
@ Tsepz_GP
Sony can't just "capitalise on the mistakes of Samsung". That's not how this works. R&D, despite what you might say or believe, takes time. It takes time to get it from the sketchbook to prototype. Then it takes time to sort out supply chain. Then it takes time to sort out QA/QC. Then it takes time to manufacture and ship. And Sony doesn't have the same financial clout that the likes of Apple has to just bully manufacturers into meeting their demands.
Its not that simple.
Lets not forget also, that Qualcomm f**ked all its customer by releasing a garbage chipset, with little alternatives at the high end. Unless Sony produce their own silicon, which they won't because it won't be worth it in terms of the volume they'll sell, then they are the mercy of what Qualcomm produces - no other SoC fabricator/designer competes with them right now.
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Posted: 2016-01-22 22:25:16
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-XYZ-
In this day and age there is more than 1 way to take advantage of a competitor's flaws. Sony could have created a Promo and PR campaign with their marketing agencies, they had the hardware already that was missing in the Samsungs i.e. MicroSD cards, Waterproofing etc....
you don't have to blow resources, just create an efficient campaign, take what you already have over your competitor and make it shine.
The Z5 series get promoted a lot, but the messaging is muddled and not really memorable.
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Posted: 2016-01-22 23:04:51
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On 2016-01-22 22:25:16, -XYZ wrote:
Which phone offers optical zoom, how well did it sell and what would be the point?
Optical image stabilisation, I can get behind that. Optical zoom is fundamentally pointless given the size constraints.
At the telephoto end, the camera will be garbage. I guarantee it.
Only a few phones to mind, the samsung S4 Zoom, not sure how well it sold, I've never seen one here. I believe the galaxy K zoom is the successor to it? Then there is the Asus Zenfone Zoom (f/2.7-4.8, 28-84mm, 3x zoom). Not the largest of apertures, f2.7 is not that large but still ok. Although if you look on the asus site the optics are placed on their side.
https://www.asus.com/Phone/ZenFone-Zoom-ZX551ML/
It does come with OIS. I searched for the sensor size, 1/3" by the looks of it, rather a disappointing size.
http://blog.gsmarena.com/3x-z[....]s-zenfone-zoom-mere-6mm-thick/
Another look at the module here
http://www.androidcentral.com[....]time-we-get-use-zooming-camera
and here
http://www.soyacincau.com/201[....]ands-on-and-first-impressions/
I can't seem to find any decent camera samples/reviews but I am not expecting anything spectacular with a f2.7 and a 1/3" sensor. As for OIS in a sony Z, well going from Z to Z5, 6 generations and not OIS, not expecting it to appear in the next flagship.
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Posted: 2016-01-22 23:42:00
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The best strategy for Sony to do right now is to stop focusing on increasing their marketshare as they have stated before.
The premium is a good start. I'd like them to be on the same price tag as Apple so long as it is justified. I guess, it's time that they go all metal and stop putting cheap components in order for the price to be competitive.
Put oled, the highest ram, metal body, the best lens, better software, a better flash module, 64gb of internal storage.
They are underrated in their segment right now. I'd like to see them back as a premium brand. Unlike now that they are trying so hard to be an all-segment brand like Samsung
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Posted: 2016-01-23 13:58:08
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^sony could build the best smartphone of 2016 but nobody would notice it. All I hear and see on media is "Apple" and "Samsung". In the recent month there is a trend (at least in Germany) where even Huawei is gaining more momentum more than Sony.
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Posted: 2016-01-23 15:12:40
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On 2016-01-22 23:42:00, ascariss wrote:
As for OIS in a sony Z, well going from Z to Z5, 6 generations and not OIS, not expecting it to appear in the next flagship.
I am expecting it. People from Sony are not stupid, they're aware of the fact that the lack of OIS is one of the major causes why their phones are taking poor pictures. I can't find the source right now but I read the comparison review where Z5 was setting much higher ISO than its optically stabilized competitors which caused more noise. More noise means more digital noise reduction and both of them translate to less details. At lower ISO pictures were good but it was unable to keep it because there was no OIS.
Lens quality is another thing to improve because it's getting worse! Most Z5s are suffering from serious image blurring on the edges because of faulty optics.
On 2016-01-22 17:27:55, Tsepz_GP wrote:
Yes they tend to be close but not enough, e.g. The Snapdragn 810 in the Z5 series ruins it, as well as the Z5P not having 4GB RAM.
Sorry, but that's bullsh*t. 810 in the Z5 works fine, there are no overheating issues whatsoever.
On 2016-01-22 22:25:16, -XYZ wrote:
Lets not forget also, that Qualcomm f**ked all its customer by releasing a garbage chipset, with little alternatives at the high end. Unless Sony produce their own silicon, which they won't because it won't be worth it in terms of the volume they'll sell, then they are the mercy of what Qualcomm produces - no other SoC fabricator/designer competes with them right now.
Their own silicon? Do you know how much money and resources it needs? How much time to be competetive? Huawei has much more money than Sony (they are supported by the Communist Party of China), they're developing their in house Kirin SoCs for years they they're still way behind Qualcomm. I hope Sony won't even try it, they'll fail miserably. Plus fragmentation isn't good on this market because it means more compatibility issues.
On 2016-01-23 15:12:40, JohnnyNr.5 wrote:
In the recent month there is a trend (at least in Germany) where even Huawei is gaining more momentum more than Sony.
Recent month? Huawei is the 3rd biggest smartphone manufacturer in the world, they overtook Sony a while ago.
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Posted: 2016-01-23 15:41:33
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@Penguino
I'm not disagreeing with you. If you read what I wrote, I did say that Sony won't produce their own silicon. They may have/be able to acquire the fabs or sub-contract the fabrication, but they can't produce at a volume large enough to make it worthwhile. But, if you want to compete with Apple or Samsung, without relying on Qualcomm the ONLY way is to design your own SoCs.
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Posted: 2016-01-23 18:01:41
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