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In pastyness I mean lack of detail, not related to white balance at all. White balance is not an issue, any photographer knows that, can be edited even on the comp if need be, detail cannot be regained once lost.
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[ This Message was edited by: aksd on 2008-04-29 13:38 ]
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Posted: 2008-04-29 14:34:52
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On 2008-04-29 14:34:52, aksd wrote:
In pastyness I mean lack of detail, not related to white balance at all
Lack of detail could be an unsteady hand, high exposure, slow shutter speed due to lack of proper light or any combination of the above.
My point is, I don't see anything that points out "crappy camera". I see "unskilled photographer."
[ This Message was edited by: WhyBe on 2008-04-29 13:39 ]
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Posted: 2008-04-29 14:38:51
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Listen, unsteady hand would result in a completly dull image, you can see sharpness but no detailing, that is because the detail HAS not been captured, is that so hard to understand? If he shook they would be no shrpness altogether, my points are with respect to the outdoor pics of the bike, look at them, especially the tire one, theres no detailing on the wall or on the tire, look at the grass in the first one, the bike is sharp but the grass is just a green blob, or the grey wall, you can see the detailing on it. Its not a module problem theres are shabby processing algortihms by SE, which will be improved in the final version no doubt. If you really cant see this, I dont think you should be judging pics anytime in the near future, or maybe a crash course in photography should help
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Posted: 2008-04-29 14:58:01
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Great Pictures!!! The camera will be as good as the phone
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Posted: 2008-04-29 15:25:14
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On 2008-04-29 14:58:01, aksd wrote:
...Its not a module problem theres are shabby processing algortihms by SE, which will be improved in the final version no doubt. If you really cant see this, I dont think you should be judging pics anytime in the near future, or maybe a crash course in photography should help
Why couldn't the original photo have been taken in insufficient light? Therefore leading to all the flaws that are seen:
*Poor white balance
*Noise reduction (due to artificial exposure boosting) and subsequent sharpening
IOW these pics could have been taken around sunset.
[ This Message was edited by: WhyBe on 2008-04-29 14:49 ]
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Posted: 2008-04-29 15:48:25
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If that were the case you would either have a slightly blurred image due to the slow shutter speed of night mode, or noise in the darker areas. Even with agressive noise reduction as cellphone sensor cannot remove all the noise from an image in low light, but the lack of noise maybe due to a resized image as well. Also even if it were in low light its extremely doubtful that the camera will auto increase sharpness.
You can also see signs of a smaller sensor, look at the headlight on the first pic, its completely burnt out, this is the case with the TyTn2 as well, I hope it is'nt the same unit which under performs. I can show you similar pics taken with the TyTn2 and trust me its not the photographer
if you look at this link
http://www.bengalboy.com/modu[....]m=8&post_id=6588#forumpost6588
you can see what kind of lowlight photos the phone takes, the shake of course is due to user error in all the low light pics.
I agree with your point that if there was sunlight on the bike you might have seen a bit more detailing, but looking at the image a bit more light would have ruined the bike seeing how the cam over exposes, also the detailing level would'nt magically increase to acceptable quality. the K790 took better pics than this, more detailing even in lower light conditions.
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Posted: 2008-04-29 16:13:04
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therefore have every reason, that the K790 takes best picture is a fact ... is also a person there are many who treat their mobile camera has good take it in a place where there is enough lighting and details for departing fenomela! it is true;)
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Posted: 2008-04-29 18:23:15
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On 2008-04-29 16:13:04, aksd wrote:
If that were the case you would either have a slightly blurred image due to the slow shutter speed of night mode, or noise in the darker areas. Even with agressive noise reduction as cellphone sensor cannot remove all the noise from an image in low light, but the lack of noise maybe due to a resized image as well. Also even if it were in low light its extremely doubtful that the camera will auto increase sharpness.
You can also see signs of a smaller sensor, look at the headlight on the first pic, its completely burnt out, this is the case with the TyTn2 as well, I hope it is'nt the same unit which under performs. I can show you similar pics taken with the TyTn2 and trust me its not the photographer
if you look at this link
http://www.bengalboy.com/modu[....]m=8&post_id=6588#forumpost6588
you can see what kind of lowlight photos the phone takes, the shake of course is due to user error in all the low light pics.
I agree with your point that if there was sunlight on the bike you might have seen a bit more detailing, but looking at the image a bit more light would have ruined the bike seeing how the cam over exposes, also the detailing level would'nt magically increase to acceptable quality. the K790 took better pics than this, more detailing even in lower light conditions.
So you're saying, the X1 camera gives results that are on par with other cellphone cameras?
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Posted: 2008-04-30 05:13:34
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I'm saying it gives results on par with the TyTn2(white balance and colour reproduction of the TyTn2 is better though but that will be fixed, but the sensor performance is similar, as is the sharpening and noise reduction), but not close to SE's offerings, even the P1i, which uses a smaller sensor than the K790.
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Posted: 2008-04-30 05:32:19
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I agree, however it's still a lot better than HTC cameras have been up to now.
Doesn't look like it's an SE cam though, that's a disappointment.
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Posted: 2008-04-30 06:50:53
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