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@ULtimus

I think you are the one who does not know what you're talking about. Android Gingerbread will support resolution up to 720p, you can validate that once it is announced later this year.

About the Bluetooth 4.0, why would SE use Bluetooth 3.0 when a slightly better version is available with not that much of a price difference? Does it make any sense at all? Definitely not. It is like why not just stay with Bluetooth 2.0 instead of using the 2.1 version. We are talking about "high-end phones" here.

If you want a device with slightly better processor than X10, then you do not have to wait until next year just to buy one. You can just go grab Samsung Galaxy S I9000 or Motorola DroidX as both will get the Froyo update soon and have "slightly better" CPU than X10, not to mention iPhone 4 (if you're looking for a non-Android device). Seriously, the success of a device does not depend solely just on the software and coolness factor, but on the "overall package," meaning great set of top-end features that are functioning well, backed up by strong hardware components and great software implementation with an uber cool design.

The features I wrote on that post you replied to, are what could be the standard features set of a 2011 high end device. You can bet on that. Some of the features I wrote like the microHDMI v1.4 is already incorporated in Acer Stream and soon microSDXC will appear in the market. So I am not just making a list of features with no factual basis. I got them all from the current set of features that are incorporated on most high-end phones this year.

IF SE will follow the same ideologies as yourself and Badassman, they are just going to catch up everytime. SE will never get its glorious days back. Because nowadays, every manufacturer can get what the others have. The best thing SE can do is to get along and try to get ahead when they see an opportunity.

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Posted: 2010-08-07 01:56:37
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@rss_ndrsn

There was a time where were top but that was ages ago. The X1 was the ultimate phone with the best specs available but its software crippled it. Back then, people would go for the name Cyber-Shot or Walkman and they are trying to rebuild that image. They are not great financially so for them to make a mega device like the one you describe is a major risk.

The current line up apart from the X2 is smart and safe. The X2 has good enough hardware but its buggy like hell and with its price, a big gamble and a big loss for The X10 may be behind in certain aspects but it was a good decision to make it because its following the current trend and as a result, is doing well. The X10 Minis and Vivazs are good ideas also so despite them being quite average on paper, they should do OK.

At the big boy meetings they look at the market and finances to set a target, after that they decide if they need a high end device or not. They don't design whatever innovative product and sell it, other factors set the limit on the phone. If they decided that the X10 would be sold at £700 at launch then they would have made the perfect phone but it had limits set and this is the best they could do for it. For you to justify your device would be hard because its a risk and its not necessary.

My opinion is that a phone like my Desire is as good as it gets. Maybe next year it will have a better camera but otherwise it does everything I want it to do and very well. Putting a 1.5Ghz processor won't appeal to me because I don't need it likewise features such as bluetooth 4.0.

Its very tough to run a big company like and even harder making decisions that could loss them millions. The next announcement will according to my source, have at least two high end devices and maybe a couple of mid rangers. Don't worry about playing top trumps with the specs, look at the device on a whole and that way you should be impressed.
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Posted: 2010-08-07 16:34:47
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2 hi-end devices - WP7 Qwerty(Julie) & leaked Android Qwerty?
Mid-rangers - not leaked yet I guess (soon, hopefully).
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Posted: 2010-08-07 18:37:54
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Can you give pictures?
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Posted: 2010-08-07 18:50:09
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If the "qwerty android" (guess you mean the 5inch) is the only highend android im gonna get pissed. I want a x11 (or x20 or whatever). Thought x10 was a failure and I wont trade my iphone for something with crippled hardware.
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Posted: 2010-08-07 19:05:28
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Crippled hardware?Failure? Ermm. I dont think so.
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Posted: 2010-08-07 19:16:04
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Sorry, I meant the lack of multitouch (its very important for me, games and zoom). At least here in Sweden it hasnt done that good. Desire is selling alot better and it pisses me of because MT is the main reason.

But I guess failure isnt the right word.. "Not as good as it could have sold" maybe is a better way of putting it
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Posted: 2010-08-07 19:55:02
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@Badassmam
IF SE is afraid to take the risk, they will not go far. As I have said many times before, all they are going to do is catching up with other manufacturers. Unless they want a big change in their situation right now, they have to make big decisions and take big risks. That is the device with the specification I mentioned on my last post.

Next year will be even harder for SE, even this year is quite tough for SE as their so-called high-end phone X10 is overshadowed by iPhone 4, Samsung Galaxy S and HTC Desire (not even a flagship phone) in sales, as the usual top guns will released better and more powerful devices. Plus Nokia, who is coming back in the scene with high-end MeeGO to be released later this year. For sure, the Nokia MeeGO will be a feature-packed phone based on the comment of Nokia's top official about N8 positioning it as a high-end to mid-range smartphone than a high-end one. We both know N8 spec is monstruous and I can't imagine what will the MeeGo spec be.

If you look at the spec sheet that I made, it is not even over-the-top as most of the features there are had been incorporated into the smartphones of today already. The only things new are the dual-core processor, 720p screen, 1080p video recording, 1 GB RAM, microSDXC, and 32 GB moviNand memory. The last two should not be even considered as to be that new as there have been phones with 32 GB internal memory since 2008, and we may see the first phone that support microSDXC later this year. The 1080p video recording and 1 GB RAM are normal to be expected from 2011 devices because the trend seems to go that way. The other hardware parts, and features like Bluetooth 4 will appear later this year in some devices. The microHDMI can be already be seen on Acer Stream. Nexus One, iPhone 4 and Motorola Droid X all of them have dual mics with noise cancellation technology. Nokia have included FM Radio with RDS and FM Transmitter since N95 which is a 2007 device. So how hard is it going to be to incorporate all of these features into one device?

Taking a trip down memory lane, most of the iconic devices in mobile phone history are high-end phones. Starting with Nokia 6600, which sold almost 10 million worldwide and had an initial price of €600. The features were VGA camera, Bluetooth, Infrared, etc. Next, of course is the Sony Ericsson P800, the trend-setter of its time. This phone was a commercial success despite of high price and SE's saviour during the very hard first few years of the merger. It is essential to note that even Steve Job seems to be very fond of P800. Who will forget the N95? When it was first announced in September of 2006, every one was in awe. It was the first phone to combine 5.0 megapixel camera plus VGA recording @ 30 fps, GPS, 2.6 screen, dual-slide mechanism design, accelometer, 3G, video editing software and new version of S60. The high price did not stop it from selling well and Nokia even released another version which is N95 8Gb. The successes of these high-end phones clearly show the importance of high-end specification in attaining commercial success of smartphones.

With SE, I know it is make-or-break, but that is the risk they have to take if they want to attain success. Next year is competition is about to get tougher as we will see a lot of high-end devices running on Android and Windows Mobile 7. Plus, the new player, MeeGo and the reviving Symbian. But if SE incorporate those features that I mentioned, they would stand a chance. That list is a perfect combination of feature set for next year. Then, get the design right and implement the software good, SE have success written all over that device. We have seen the commercial successes of Nokia 6600, the Legend Sony Ericsson P800 and the impeccable Nokia N95 which were mainly due to their high-end specification. It is hard to look at a device in whole and tell it will sell well if one of the essential features is missing.

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Posted: 2010-08-07 22:09:28
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@rss_ndrsn

I totally agree with what you're saying but it takes balls to release such products when they are just starting to get back on track. The things you have put in your list are all reasonable features for a phone but I think there is way more to lose than gain. After the Nokia N95, the N96 didn't do that well but Nokia got away with it. Moto after the Razr almost died and only now they are getting up to speed.

Anyways, I think there is the X10a release tomorrow so yee ha to you guys. WP7 devices going through the FCC in numbers so the launch is coming soon which means our Xperia should show up as well.


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Posted: 2010-08-09 01:47:05
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^I do not see any reason why SE can't release that kind of phone. Look at Motorola, they were in a very bad situation compared to SE last year but still they managed to come up with Droid, which has been a commercial success even up to now. Just last month, Droid X has been announced and released quickly. We both know the specification of the Droid X and we sure can both agree it is a very high spec phone. In fact, that's where I got some of the features I think SE should incorporate to the their next year's high-end phone.

Do you see where I am getting at? Motorola wanted to stop the losses so they made a move to bring the company up again, by making great Android phone portfolio that includes top end smartphones. Kudos to them. Their bad situation last year did not stop them from making monstruous-spec'ed smartphones. They even plan of releasing an Android phone with 2 Ghz Processor. You can clearly see Motorola's determination to gain back what they lost. Motorola sure got some balls.

How about SE? They make a phone with a great design, great camera and processor but forget to include multi-touch, an essential feature of smartphone today. They also seem to choose a crappy OS, and refuse to give kinetic scrolling to the whole UI when the OS allows it. With SE, their high-end phones seem to lack one or two essential features, of all the features! When SE is going to show the world what it has become since the merger in 2003. SE have to release a high-end smartphone with really top-end specification like they did in 2003, when they set the trend of smartphone with the P800.
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Posted: 2010-08-09 08:27:36
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