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On 2013-08-30 14:50:54, aurelius wrote:
On 2013-08-30 14:48:17, northmonkey wrote:
On 2013-08-30 14:46:25, itsjustJOH wrote:
On 2013-08-30 14:11:21, Shotokan81 wrote:
Yes we had this debate already.
No hardware stabilisation, and no epic fail, thank you for not bringing this back.
[ This Message was edited by: Shotokan81 on 2013-08-30 13:12 ]
Is this confirmed? I highly doubt it.
Honami doesn't have OIS, will be confirmed on Wednesday.
it can still have >SteadyShot
I find it funny that people is sooo knowledgeable before they've actually seen
the device. it's a fantastic world we live in!
[ This Message was edited by: aurelius on 2013-08-30 13:52 ]
Not saying i know, just saying this is the debate we had to avoid have it again.
I don't know if this is correct, and don't pretend nothing, just tired of always the same complaints and debate going on and on every few pages.
To be clear, i don't know and we will see.
Anyway I give up, this is a nonsense geek debate.
People talk about failure and success like they had a single clue on how to build and sell phones and can advise Sony to reproduce the huge success stories of Nokia and HTC
Why don't they create their start-up to give Sony a good lesson? They will be billionaires for sure!!
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Posted: 2013-08-30 15:20:57
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On 2013-08-30 14:59:35, northmonkey wrote:
The fact is that there were rumours of OIS, Xenon Flash and more.
Now there's no Xenon, no OIS, if Sony had included a Xenon Flash, OIS and other features then they would have a killer phone on their hands which would have destroyed the competition.
Seriously what exactly is this competition that Honami had no chance of winning if it didn't have OIS? S4 definitely looked outdated beside Honami on almost all front, 1020 is asking you the price of most android flagship despite its 2 year old HW, HTC One's ultrapixel resolution is almost pathetic (no offense to One users here but just being objective) even compared to the already poor Z camera, MotoX don't come close to almost anything hardware wise, G2's OIS camera won't give you all the miracles you are expecting it to do with your shaking hands. I dont get this OIS hype on smartphones at the first place, Just how shaky are your hands that even a fast wide angle lens couldn't compensate for it without stabilization? I don't recall seeing crap cameraphone videos even before OIS on smartphone became a trend not unless the guy behind it really sucked at video/photography, realistically speaking there's no such cure for that
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Posted: 2013-08-30 15:29:11
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Razec, I can agree that OIS or sensor shift is better than no stabilisation all other things being equal.
And you would surely agree as well.
But I think you are losing your time.
Because here the debate is not on how different types of stabilisation make a difference and how noticeable it is.
The debate is about failure, success, and how OIS or xenon will command success and failure.
I feel that the guys that bring that are the ones that can grasp these things the less because they mention market failures or half baked cakes as being successes...
Even assuming that mainstreet consumer cares about stabilisation, if sony has a software stabilisation and advertise it as steadyshot, then mainstreet consumers will not understand the difference.
As long as the camera package is good consumers will be satisfied, and you know that you need to have a shutter speed quite long to notice a difference, depending on your focal distance 35mm eq, or how wide your angle is. With a decent compact camera sensor going at least up to 800 iso and f2 lens, i think these cases will be rare enough, and the led flash will be here to make it even more rare.
Finally we are talking about rumors.
So you can do yourself a favor, give up and just ignore them, it really feels better this way!
By the way, from the leaked pictures, do we know the angle of view the camera / the 35mm eq focal lens?
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Posted: 2013-08-30 15:48:04
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LED flashes on Sony phones are so poor look at the Xperia S, T and Z they are so weak and the range is terrible compared to GS3 and GS4 LED flashes.
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Posted: 2013-08-30 15:57:48
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well, what if we did a group buy for some CREE LEDs and we can re-solder our Z1's.
im game!
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Posted: 2013-08-30 16:02:50
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me too! while we're at it.. we should each get an RX100II and solder it onto the back of our Z1s! then it'll be UNBEATABLE!!
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Posted: 2013-08-30 16:03:59
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On 2013-08-30 16:03:59, moogoo wrote:
me too! while we're at it.. we should each get an RX100II and solder it onto the back of our Z1s! then it'll be UNBEATABLE!!
duh, why not just pick an RX1R and solder it on the Z1
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Posted: 2013-08-30 16:05:38
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On 2013-08-30 15:57:48, northmonkey wrote:
LED flashes on Sony phones are so poor look at the Xperia S, T and Z they are so weak and the range is terrible compared to GS3 and GS4 LED flashes.
How did you know? Using intuition from someone with monkey's brain? I doubt you have even seen it.
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Posted: 2013-08-30 16:07:22
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On 2013-08-30 16:07:22, unknownC151A wrote:
On 2013-08-30 15:57:48, northmonkey wrote:
LED flashes on Sony phones are so poor look at the Xperia S, T and Z they are so weak and the range is terrible compared to GS3 and GS4 LED flashes.
How did you know? Using intuition from someone with monkey's brain? I doubt you have even seen it.
Because ive had all 3.
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Posted: 2013-08-30 16:12:42
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yet you listed five phones...
isnt all inclusive of the entire list?
@north, you didnt live up to the rumors... i r disappoint
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Posted: 2013-08-30 16:30:28
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