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I agree that the SE GUI is close to perfect, but in Java phones only.
When we talk about smartphones, i've read numerous reviews saying P1 has a cluttered interface. So you cant say SE has a better interface than Nokia as smartphones have a far more complicated one.
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Posted: 2007-09-21 15:05:34
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I would disagree with those reviews. In my opinion P1 (and M600 etc etc) have a plain, simple and logical interface. In fact one of the things I first thought about the M600 was that it seemed far too simple for a smartphone and I was left wondering what was missing!
If you want cluttered then take a look at Windows Mobile, but then it has a whole lot more in there for us WMers...
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Posted: 2007-09-21 15:12:07
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On 2007-09-21 10:07:24, QVGA wrote:
Well ofcourse K850 is going to beat the N95 in terms of still pictures. Funny how you people say, it wipes the floor with N95 and forgot in how many categories N95 wipes the floor with K850.
In that instance, I was only talking about still pics, not the whole phone... way to jump to conclusions dude.....
the reason I wouldn't buy an N95 go far deeper than just the camera, however camera is no 1 priority for me. My analysis is that overall K850 is a better phone. But even if I didn't think that K850 was better OVERALL, I would still prefer it for the superior still photographs. I also don't believe it's really fair to compare smartphones with non smartphones unless you are talking about specific features such as vidfeo performance, camera performance etc.
K850 ONLY has the cam going on for it and if SE didnt beat N95 even in that single thing, then SE probably should stop making phones
Sorry but the K850 WAY beats the N95 in still photography.
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Posted: 2007-09-21 15:34:27
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On 2007-09-21 14:59:42, Prom1 wrote:
On 2007-09-21 10:07:24, QVGA wrote:
Well ofcourse K850 is going to beat the N95 in terms of still pictures. Funny how you people say, it wipes the floor with N95 and forgot in how many categories N95 wipes the floor with K850. K850 ONLY has the cam going on for it and if SE didnt beat N95 even in that single thing, then SE probably should stop making phones.
Hmm the K850i does many things better than the N95.
1. I buy 1 K850i and I can use my 2/2.5/3/3.5G phone ANYWHERE in the world, orignal N95 did NOT do this.
2. I don't have to worry about having enough RAM to run applications (J2ME based) before it'll crash. K850i manages memory VERY well based on a solid platform.
3. Camera is seeming to shape up better.
4. I get the choice of 2 removable memory standards. M2 which is significantly faster in data read/write speeds than MicroSD.
5. I can immediately start dialing a #, with EASE on the K850i. The N95 I must slide in order to dial a number (NEW non phonebook saved).
There a a few others that one can debate, and surely on this forum most will side with the K850i. But you CANNOT deny that the SE GUI - Graphical User Interface IS, if not THE closest by huge margin, the BEST GUI of ALL phones! Placement and arrangement of functions, abilities, settings are right where they SHOULD be; logically & intuitively.
And lastly design! The K850i can do a lot but its STILL designed like a quality phone.
These are the reasons why I KEEP coming back to SE.
Perfect words prom1
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Posted: 2007-09-21 15:41:59
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afaik,the k850i doesnt have the two buttons,on top of the screen next to the speaker,which the k800/k810/w910/and some newer phones have...does anyone anything about this?i kinda like these buttons...
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Posted: 2007-09-21 15:49:41
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On 2007-09-21 14:59:42, Prom1 wrote:
On 2007-09-21 10:07:24, QVGA wrote:
Well ofcourse K850 is going to beat the N95 in terms of still pictures. Funny how you people say, it wipes the floor with N95 and forgot in how many categories N95 wipes the floor with K850. K850 ONLY has the cam going on for it and if SE didnt beat N95 even in that single thing, then SE probably should stop making phones.
Hmm the K850i does many things better than the N95.
1. I buy 1 K850i and I can use my 2/2.5/3/3.5G phone ANYWHERE in the world, orignal N95 did NOT do this.
2. I don't have to worry about having enough RAM to run applications (J2ME based) before it'll crash. K850i manages memory VERY well based on a solid platform.
3. Camera is seeming to shape up better.
4. I get the choice of 2 removable memory standards. M2 which is significantly faster in data read/write speeds than MicroSD.
5. I can immediately start dialing a #, with EASE on the K850i. The N95 I must slide in order to dial a number (NEW non phonebook saved).
There a a few others that one can debate, and surely on this forum most will side with the K850i. But you CANNOT deny that the SE GUI - Graphical User Interface IS, if not THE closest by huge margin, the BEST GUI of ALL phones! Placement and arrangement of functions, abilities, settings are right where they SHOULD be; logically & intuitively.
And lastly design! The K850i can do a lot but its STILL designed like a quality phone.
These are the reasons why I KEEP coming back to SE.
2- The N95 can probably run the same amount of JAVA applications as K850. The RAM might be a problem with the .sis applications, i'm not sure. And K850 doesnt worry about this because its a Java phone. Every smartphone, even the highest one, even a 5000$ PC will suffer from lack of memory some way or another.
4- Show me a link/source/anything where i can also read that M2 is faster at read/write data than MicroSD. I cannot even begin to tell how expensive M2 is compared to MicroSD.
5- Thats your personal problem.
Dont get me wrong, i like the K850, but it certainly doesnt WIPE the floor with N95 other than still camera. If N95 was as bad you claim, then why is it such a huge seller at such a high price? If K850 sells for 700$ i'll see how many go and buy it.
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Posted: 2007-09-21 16:09:53
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i like my sony ericsson camera phones so i bought the s700i,followed by the k750i and then the k800i.I have faith in sony ericsson and i will be buying the k850i as i KNOW that it will be the best in its class just like its predecessors.
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Posted: 2007-09-21 16:21:25
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On 2007-09-21 16:09:53, QVGA wrote:
2- The N95 can probably run the same amount of JAVA applications as K850. The RAM might be a problem with the .sis applications, i'm not sure. And K850 doesnt worry about this because its a Java phone. Every smartphone, even the highest one, even a 5000$ PC will suffer from lack of memory some way or another.
In my experience Nokia java support is very poor compared to SE. But I have no direct experience of the N95 java platform. My guess is K850 JAVA platform would be more stable and support a broader range of applications than N95 (the same was true of K750/N70).
4- Show me a link/source/anything where i can also read that M2 is faster at read/write data than MicroSD. I cannot even begin to tell how expensive M2 is compared to MicroSD.
It's a fact, in memory card formats that MS is faster than SD. Look it up. And they are more expensive but no more so than the difference in normal size MS and SD cards.
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Posted: 2007-09-21 16:29:41
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On 2007-09-21 14:59:42, Prom1 wrote:
Hmm the K850i does many things better than the N95.
1. I buy 1 K850i and I can use my 2/2.5/3/3.5G phone ANYWHERE in the world, orignal N95 did NOT do this.
N95 is also a world phone with its quad band . The only advantage of K850 is that it allows you to use 3G in US on ONE carrier only.
2. I don't have to worry about having enough RAM to run applications (J2ME based) before it'll crash. K850i manages memory VERY well based on a solid platform.
Not suprising at all. If you run N95 like you do a K850, I am pretty sure you dont have RAM issues either in N95.
3. Camera is seeming to shape up better.
Hopefully it gets better than N95 as this is the only saving grace of K850. Without the camera superiority K850 looks spent when put up against N95 much superior capability like WIFI, bigger and better screen, much better video recording, built-in GPS, TV-out...I just get tired listing out the rest.
4. I get the choice of 2 removable memory standards. M2 which is significantly faster in data read/write speeds than MicroSD.
I dont think this makes any real performance impact as other hardware like CPU speed is more crucial. MicroSD is more prefered anyway and much cheaper too.
5. I can immediately start dialing a #, with EASE on the K850i. The N95 I must slide in order to dial a number (NEW non phonebook saved).
This is nitpicking. I dont think it makes much different to press the unlock or slide up.
There a a few others that one can debate, and surely on this forum most will side with the K850i. But you CANNOT deny that the SE GUI - Graphical User Interface IS, if not THE closest by huge margin, the BEST GUI of ALL phones! Placement and arrangement of functions, abilities, settings are right where they SHOULD be; logically & intuitively.
I dont see that much different between SE UI and S60. You may want to enlighten us which part of SE UI that is more intuitive or better than S60.
Let me start. The Activity Menu on SE looks so clumsy compared to S60 Active Standby. How about fact you need to use the Activity Menu to multi-task Java app. This is totally confusing compared to S60 where it is more logically go to the main menu to start multiple Java/native app.
And lastly design! The K850i can do a lot but its STILL designed like a quality phone.
I hope you are right. We know for a long time that SE got a lot quality issue like creaking casing, broken keypad and joysticks. Eldar's K850 review model backcover also broke.
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Posted: 2007-09-21 16:36:56
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On 2007-09-21 16:36:56, mib1800 wrote:
Not suprising at all. If you run N95 like you do a K850, I am pretty sure you dont have RAM issues either in N95.
Again your lack of understanding of java multitasking maturity. You think of all non-smartphones in basically the same light - a phone that can't do anything, therefore can't ever overload itself. What prom1 is saying, that for an equivalent application load, K850 will best N95.
Without the camera superiority K850 looks spent when put up against N95 much superior capability like WIFI, bigger and better screen, much better video recording, built-in GPS, TV-out...I just get tired listing out the rest.
Wouldn't it be fairer to compare against P1 in these areas? I mean come on! K850 was never intended for wifi markets. And P1 3.2MP camera is STILL better than N95 still camera.
MicroSD is more prefered anyway and much cheaper too.
Ahm, excuse me, but on K850 you actually have the OPTION
I dont see that much different between SE UI and S60. You may want to enlighten us which part of SE UI that is more intuitive or better than S60.
All of it.
How about fact you need to use the Activity Menu to multi-task Java app. This is totally confusing compared to S60 where it is more logically go to the main menu to start multiple Java/native app.
Confusing! It's confusing to press the dedicated activity menu button?
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Posted: 2007-09-21 17:13:17
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