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On 2013-10-24 21:59:43, cu015170 wrote:
^ the results tend to follow
bigger sensor = better IQ
The difference in the sensor is only a few years, if that.. there hasn't been any significant advancements in sensor technology in the past few years.
Yes, if we are comparing a graphene sensor to a conventional one..sure, but all of these are very similar and size is the most important aspect.
Few years are not little. Examples are all over the place.
I'm not saying that 1/3" sensors will outperform the 808's 1/1.2" sensor by next year. They are not leapfrogging every year.
But best example is how the 1020's 1/1.5" sensor achieves less noise than the 1/1.2" sensor. BSI is a significant difference. But not to the extent that Sony's 1/2.3" BSI sensor outperforms the 808's sensor.
It's relative.
Take a look at the Nikon 1 series' 1" sensors. They outperform three years old four thirds sensors. And outperform 5 years old APS-C sensors from Nikon. The difference in size here is huge.
Even full format sensors keep getting better with each generation by a significant amount. Talking about three years difference max between generations.
Compare the N95's sensor to the 2013 same sized ones. Big difference.
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Posted: 2013-10-24 22:45:22
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Less noise indeed..
And my alter ego posted these here:
http://forums.wpcentral.com/n[....]-1020/246495-3.htm#post2189979
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Posted: 2013-10-25 05:32:20
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On 2013-10-24 21:33:05, false_morel wrote:
Not impressed with those Octa photos. I fail to see what is special about them. The iPhone does better from what I saw so far.
I too
But this year Octa the Best Cameraphone - no way compare with Iphone 5 / 5S , Octa is higher level.
Better don't look this if you'r Iphone fans
[ This Message was edited by: Sassho on 2013-10-25 06:07 ]
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Posted: 2013-10-25 07:06:38
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for 2013 models
1020 -----------> cota/5s/g2/z1/
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Posted: 2013-10-25 08:45:52
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On 2013-10-25 08:45:52, cu015170 wrote:
for 2013 models
1020 -----------> cota/5s/g2/z1/
Yep , but applies to 1020 with normal lens , this's realy impossible thing
..only as information
Note 3 Octa
S4 Octa
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Posted: 2013-10-25 10:53:37
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Say Galaxy S4 and stop saying octa everytime...it's ridiculous
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Posted: 2013-10-25 12:09:07
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On 2013-10-25 12:09:07, davidsic wrote:
Say Galaxy S4 and stop saying octa everytime...it's ridiculous
No no , I find The True
The i9500 has a Sony IMX135 (Exmor RS) , the i9505 has a IMX091PQ (Exmor R)
Check this and compare images
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2283201
Differences between the two cameras are clearly visible - look on wall , grass , tree. If you a possible change phone to Octa, do not waste your life
New guys with Octa's comming here soon.
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Posted: 2013-10-25 15:24:08
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On 2013-10-25 05:32:20, cu015170 wrote:
Less noise indeed..
Smart move to compare the most left area of the 1020, and due to different framing, the respective area is the not the most left on the 808. And why compare left areas while both phones focused on a different subject at the center of the photos?
Here is a comparison of these two photos you made. All crops worked out in LR. All crops at 1:1 unless mentioned otherwise. 808 always on left.
1. In this crop, zoomed in to the main subject, both images untouched:
Notice how the 1020 resolved more detail. It did a very nasty job managing the colors though. WB is not way off this time. But extreme tinting, and the yellow hue is off.
2. Same area, now adjusted the 1020 colors only. Added a bit of contrast as well.
Now it's even clearer how much detail the 1020 resolved compared to the 808.
3. Same area, now colors adjusted the same and also smoothed out the sharpening effects while retaining detail:
Now the 1020's image is cleaner and with more detail.
4. Same area, now added even more sharpening while removing all noise:
Notice what the sharpening does. These are the artifacts you are complaining about. More on it further down.
5. Zoomed in to different area. Still around the center of the image. 1020 with only adjusted colors. And highlights brought down on both phones as they clipped certain areas in this crop:
Notice how you can easily read the text on the display with the 1020: Asus Vivotab etc.. While you can't with the 808.
6. Same area, now smoothed out the 1020 image:
Even then, you can still read the text on the 1020!
Here are the three adjusted photos of the 1020:
Colors only:
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/196/rsh5.jpg/
Smoothed out:
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/20/b43y.jpg/
Oversharpened:
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/30/ntr4.jpg/
Now I took the 1020 image, applied different effects. On the right pushed the sharpening slide to the max. On the right added noise grains (an effect in LR simulating same natural sensor luminance noise). In other words, comparing noise grains versus sharpening grains:
1. Noise slider pushed to 33%:
2. Now zoomed in to 2:1 :
3. Now pushed the noise slider all the way to the max:
Got the idea now?
[ This Message was edited by: false_morel on 2013-10-25 14:40 ]
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Posted: 2013-10-25 15:33:14
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I mixed up the order of the images in the original post above. Imageschack renames the images on the site. Anyway, put the right image under the right caption now. All sorted out.
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Posted: 2013-10-25 15:42:20
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Dear
false_morel don't waste you'r time with compares between 808 / 1020 - no way. 1020 has very ugly sharpened image , photos looks pretty only to 5mp and if not look on 100% zoom. With such horrible postprocessing and lens build 1020 / Z1 stay far far away from Octa or Iphone 5S quality.
[ This Message was edited by: Sassho on 2013-10-25 14:45 ]
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Posted: 2013-10-25 15:43:34
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