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Ois would make real life hand held samples to look this impressive at least for non moving subjects. See iphone 7 and 8 samples that has 1/6s shutter and 100 iso. Xz2 does this with 200 and 1/8. It looks better than all others.
It could be called OSS. Optical Steady Shot.
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Posted: 2019-02-15 15:54:44
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At this point the use of OIS (or OSS) must be mandatory for Sony
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Posted: 2019-02-15 16:34:50
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i think that this point it's clear that Sony is confident their electronic stabilization and/or sensor abilities are sufficient and OIS is unnecessary. For video, Sony isn't wrong. They've done really well with their EIS when it comes to video stabilization and have been as good or better than other phones with OIS. For still images is where they falter and they're trying to address that using better sensors, larger sensors, additional sensors.. There's gotta be a reason why they don't want to add OIS. But I think it's pretty clear that Sony won't be adding it. Sony will be sony til the bitter end.
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Posted: 2019-02-15 17:12:53
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If they can give images in low light that's as good as if it has ois without ois then it is alright.
But I don't know any other thing that fans asked for since forever. Headphone jack? I don't think so. Someone said 4k Oled. Maybe it is that.
2. It has
a large marketing budget which could help with
sales.
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Posted: 2019-02-15 17:29:49
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Sensor stabilization is more effective than optical. Exactly what they do to their Alpha, cybershot do not have OIS either, just few G or GM lenses.
OIS is around the whole module , it needs more space.
Think of a car, cam module is the wheel while OIS is the tire.
It is going to introduce jelly effect for videos.
It requires energy to work. If it is using energy, energy is lost as heat right where sensor is.
Your night vids are going to use slower shutter against your will. It means blown out lights, motion blur and more rolling shutter.
It needs smaller sensor, less space to introduce dram. Smaller sensors have less high iso performance and max iso value it can handle.
You cant compare front cam of Ultra against rear cam of other. But compare with other front cameras.
Most use 1/3.6" or 1/4" still do not use OIS.
C5 and M5 can do as good as XAU without it.
XZ2P does way better.
Bonus:
Huawei flagships do not have OIS around imx600. With worse software than Apple, p20pro puts Xs to shame after sunset.
[ This Message was edited by: Hawk12 on 2019-02-15 17:02 ]
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Posted: 2019-02-15 17:51:06
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But why are they using sd630 again and a smaller battery
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Posted: 2019-02-15 18:52:31
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Sensor shift stabilization is best for interchangeable lens cameras as it enables stabilization on any lens you put on it.
Traditional OIS moves lens elements, Cybershot cameras do use this, see the RX100 series, and pretty much any other tbh.
Actually reading through your comment I think you've got Electronic, sensor shift and optical all mixed up.
Electronic is great for video, mechanical (sensor or lens shift) for photos. Having both just means more options.
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Posted: 2019-02-15 19:34:03
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Remember the gold frame of the yellow Z1 Compact? I just did when I saw a canary yellow device from a certain manufacturer then I also remembered XR has the same combo too.
Gradient backs etc. I guess everybody is inspired by Sony except Sony
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Posted: 2019-02-15 19:39:16
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Except Canon, all other now rely on IBIS now.
Of course not all models.
Sensor stabilization is pretty effective for both stills and videos. Except when Pixel Shift option is on.
OIS is only useful when shitter is between 1/4 - 1s. Some people can easily stay steady more than 1s.
I have some pics at 1/4s without any blur.
Just look at any 4K60 footage, if you walk the video is useless due to shaking, because there is no EIS.
I believe with stacked sensor would be possible to replicate HDR+ with much more frames and faster shutter to avoid motion blur from people, pets, cars etc.... For example frames of 1/16s .
Pixel 3 night sight has each frame of 1/3s , in the end it is like a 3s shutter.
A little experiment. Let's suppose I have two u12, one black and one red.
I put both on tripods.
The black I leave on auto, the red I set 3s + HDR.
Black will probably use 1/8 or 1/16s and iso between 200-400 if place is not that dark.
Of course the red unit will easily give much better results.
This is what happens when you compare 2 phones, one on auto and the other on a night mode.
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Posted: 2019-02-15 21:35:35
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You are talking in the pro cam category. RX100 m6 has OSS. IBIS in a non-removable lens doesn't really make sense. It's called In Body because lenses are seperate.
Besides we're talking about phones here. If you can't have IBIS, then OIS is your next best option. And it's about how you can, or how the sw can use it. If it's not a stabilization issue why doesn't Xperia go under 1/16 1/32 unless it's on a tripod?
Just 1-2 stops of help would be tremendous as you can see in the Gsmarena compare tool. They are not Night Sight etc samples. They are all auto samples.
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Posted: 2019-02-15 22:54:13
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